Marla_Singer
United in diversity
It's just because it remains people like you who considers the interests of one country should always prevail on the interests of the rest of the world that nuclear war threats still exist.
Bush to call for moon base, Mars missions
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SeleucusNicator
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No. People who hold that the interests of their country are important, on the contrary, would act with an eye towards preventing their country from getting nuked.
That is not incompatible with working in the best interest of your country. Indeed, it is a key part that.
Um....where exactly are the funds for such a massive project going to come from? I heard on the radio that Bush will ask Congress for $800 billion towards this.
SeleucusNicator
Diadoch
Also, Marla, I would urge you to refrain from namecalling and otherwise insultive language. It is most unbecoming, particularly from somebody attempting to claim the moral high ground.
andrewgprv
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Originally posted by Marla_Singer
"I will not divide the world into us versus them. Rather, I will rally the world around fundamental principles of decency, responsibility, freedom, and mutual respect. Our foreign and military policy must be about the notion of America leading the world, not America against the world." Howard Dean.
That's the kind of America I want to.
That's the kind of America I wish for also.
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
I'm not the one who's dreaming about a world governed exclusively according to the interests of only one country representing less than 5% of world population. Thus, I'm not the one who's insulting anyone in here.
in all honesty, IMO, is absured to think that either one, a huge happy go lucky economic union, or a global hegemon is the right way to go with attempting a global political union- the answer is going to be a bit of both, its going to require some rather risky choices, choices that could leads to war, and could lead to peace, it will require peace between great powers, and unifaction into somthing larger, it will require assertivness in all areas, for somthimes it will be needed to assert domination against those who would do harm first, and eventually, like or not there will be a global union of nations, and then more or less a world republic, but for now, the political make up of the world only now showing the beginnings of a such a stirring, and that stirring is really only in the west, therfore, to preserve the ascendecy of the west until a more permanent union can take place- between eupre and AMerica, and Canada, and considering Europes population is sliding down the toilet, its left in the hands of the U.Sm, and Canda to ensure that a unified west can compete with the rest of the world, and for now that means ensureing thier dominace in many aspects of military, scientific, and industrial might
andrewgprv
Second Class Citizen
Why do so many people assume that Europe is going to unbreed itself into oblivion? Compared to America and Canada the population density of Europe is insane. If anything Europe is just balancing itself out they have hit a population peek and are stabalising.
I doubt its :stabilizing"- its shrinikng, weather we want to aknowledge it or not, its the current cultureal trend, if it was sablizing, we would be seeing people moving from area to area- not the population blatantlly decresing due to a lower number of births
it isn't "blatantly decreasing" we have immigration to make up for that. I'm also pretty positive that we will be able to stop the negative population development: especially France that has the highest birth rate in the EU is a good model for the rest of us
SeleucusNicator
Diadoch
I have presented a reasoned and coherent argument. Try to ignore the question as you like, but you have responsed mostly with charged exclaimations, personal slurs, and comparisons to German dictators.
SeleucusNicator
Diadoch
There is no such threat to the West at the moment, however, at least not one that has shown itself capable of superceeding other conflicting interests between the United States and certain European nations.
Plexus
Architeuthidae puericomedentis
Over time... not all at once.
What are these conflicting interests? And how exactly are the going to be carried out?
I'm simply not willing to believe that Americans or Europeans are stupid enough to find anything worth taking serious risks. Our economies are linked pretty closely...and I highly doubt either of us will be deliberately harming himself for some obscure "interests".
I realize that. But if it were spread evenly over 20 years, that would still be $40 billion a year. About as much (if not several billion more) than the budget allocted to the Department of Homeland Security.
Grille
panel insect
Back to the subject matter:
Exactly what would be the purpose of a moon station?
I mean a space lab is much better for undertaking scientific experiments. It's much easier to maintain on top of that.
So why sit on the moon?
Exactly what would be the purpose of a moon station?
I mean a space lab is much better for undertaking scientific experiments. It's much easier to maintain on top of that.
So why sit on the moon?
Okay, trying to get this thing back on topic
As Jim Lovell of Apollo 13 said...
I look up at the moon, and wonder: When will we be going back? And who will that be?
Imagine if Christopher Columbus had come back from the new world and no one returned in his footsteps
Just some more things that make you go "hmmmmmm"
Oh and I do believe the purpose of "settling the moon" would be kinda a test for "settling mars"
As Jim Lovell of Apollo 13 said...
I look up at the moon, and wonder: When will we be going back? And who will that be?
Imagine if Christopher Columbus had come back from the new world and no one returned in his footsteps
Just some more things that make you go "hmmmmmm"
Oh and I do believe the purpose of "settling the moon" would be kinda a test for "settling mars"
Bozo Erectus
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The moons alot more than a test. Its alot like The Azores: the last stop on the way to the New World.
Sims2789
Fool me once...
for once is agree with Bush on something.
Sadly he probably won't be in office when this happens and some prez or congress later down the line will probably lower nasa funding making it pretty much impossible for them to do this. But I'm sure that if America starts doing this Canada and EU will chip in. Maybe even Auz, NZ and Japan too
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