Bush wastes our money again, this time with a stupid Christmas video

[general_kill]

How you can separate his politics and everything he's done from "him" makes no sense to me, but I'll just drop the subject.

Well, let me try to clarify. If I do poorly in my class, my professor will think of me as a bad student. I might even be the worst student he's ever had. However, s/he can still like me as a person for what ever reason.

As president, Bush is doing a pretty bad job, but I he's still a likable guy and I wouldn't mind hanging out with him (he's seems like a fun guy).

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You're kidding right? Huge is precisely descriptive of size.

Repeat after me: "relative"

"Huge says nothing about the relative size."

 

[MobBoss]

Repeat after me: "relative"

"Huge says nothing about the relative size."

But it can, and often does.

Again, I ask you simply.

If I say 'some do'....then I say 'a huge number do'...do you REALLY get the impression that I am talking about the same amount of people? Please be honest.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

But it can, and often does.

Example please.

Again, I ask you simply.

If I say 'some do'....then I say 'a huge number do'...do you REALLY get the impression that I am talking about the same amount of people? Please be honest.

Context. It's all about context. Because you can very well be, even if the two words have a different impact.

"Some" is a non-descriptive amount and can mean about anything. Some say I am bonkers, others say I'm not. Now have I given any information about the relative size of people who say I'm bonkers? Of course I do agree it doesn't carry the load "huge" does. But that doesn't mean RRW was wrong. It definitely doesn't mean he should be laughed at and accused of wriggling.

 

[holy king]

http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/: stern-Umfrage -Deutsche-USA/585728.html

it's german. says that 48 percent of germans think that the usa are a bigger threat for world peace than iran. 31 percent think that iran is a bigger threat to world peace than the usa.

(18-29 year olds are 57% for usa more dangerous, 25% iran more dangerous)

apart from this semantic discussion, dont you think that hints to a very considerable amount (or even majority) of people with a negative view of the usa, mobby?

 

[RedRalph]

RRW, I understand the word. It sure as hell does NOT mean the same thing as 'some' which is my point. You want to try and play semantics to cover your moving goalposts fine. But dont insult my intelligence in your lame ass attempt to save face.

you understand the word but dont appear to understand its usage. Sorry, but they are not mutually exclusive and me saying 'huge' does not discount me saying 'some' to refer to the same group. one refers to amount, the other to proportion. You lose this one. Its not semantics; its you getting upset because you thought I meant or had said "a huge percentage" and you might have tried to get me that way. If you think you can get a small consolation on a gramatical point keep trying, but you wont. youve lost.

 

[RedRalph]

apart from this semantic discussion, dont you think that hints to a very considerable amount (or even majority) of people with a negative view of the usa, mobby?

thats not important now; he's going to try and win on grammar. but hes not.

 

[MobBoss]

Example please.

If one comes across a person how is extremely large describing him as 'huge' is common. As in 'did you see that guy? He was HUGE'. Saying there is a 'huge' number is indicative of a very large number, larger than expected. Most certainly different in context than 'some'.

Which is why I point that out.

Context. It's all about context. Because you can very well be, even if the two words have a different impact.

The usage of some has a different context than the word huge.

"Some" is a non-descriptive amount and can mean about anything.

No, it cant mean 'anything'. Anything means anything. Some means a few, a small(er) number in comparison of the sample.

Of course I do agree it doesn't carry the load "huge" does.

Now we are actually getting somewhere. Is this your answer to my question:

Again, I ask you simply.

If I say 'some do'....then I say 'a huge number do'...do you REALLY get the impression that I am talking about the same amount of people? Please be honest.

If so, then it would appear you agree with me in that goalposts are indeed being moved. Is that true?

 

[RedRalph]

If one comes across a person how is extremely large describing him as 'huge' is common. As in 'did you see that guy? He was HUGE'. Saying there is a 'huge' number is indicative of a very large number, larger than expected.

Wrong. China has a huge population. 1.3bn. thats what we expect from China.

Most certainly different in context than 'some'.

Which is why I point that out.

China has some of the worlds population. In fact, it has a huge population.

The usage of some has a different context than the word huge.

No it dosent, because one describes an amount and the other a proportion.

No, it cant mean 'anything'. Anything means anything. Some means a few, a small(er) number in comparison of the sample.

No, it dosent. It means 'a proportion of'.


Just grow a pair and admit youre wrong. you look pathetic.

 

[LucyDuke]

Spain doesnt hate the US, only Bush (in fact, i would say that detesting Bush is the only thing all Spaniards agree on).

Awesome. I wouldn't want Spain to hate the US.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The usage of some has a different context than the word huge.

No, it cant mean 'anything'. Anything means anything. Some means a few, a small(er) number in comparison of the sample.

I even gave you an example and all.

Now we are actually getting somewhere. Is this your answer to my question:

No, my answer to your question can be found in the part of my post where I quoted your question and answered it.
I know, it's complicated this

If so, then it would appear you agree with me in that goalposts are indeed being moved. Is that true?

No, that is not true.

Stupid discussion anyway. Table 1, check please!

 

[MobBoss]

you understand the word but dont appear to understand its usage.

Again, I understand it just fine. Trying to argue this is just lame on your part.

Sorry, but they are not mutually exclusive and me saying 'huge' does not discount me saying 'some' to refer to the same group.

Now you sound like another famous poster here. The point is, the two terms can absolutely be inclusive or exclusive, depending on their context, but again, they dont mean the same thing....as I have already asked:

If I say 'some do'....then I say 'a huge number do'...do you REALLY get the impression that I am talking about the same amount of people? Please be honest.

Very simple.

You lose this one.

Not up to you, and fwiw, I dont think so. There isnt anything to really lose anyway, I agree with the 'some' comment, but not with the 'huge' comment. How do I lose in simply disagreeing there?

Again, I am willing to consider that we are simply talking around each other here due to regional differences in how the terms are generally applied. I simply pointed out you intitially used 'huge' and then (in my opinion downgraded) to using the word 'some'. Again, in my opinion, in that usage, they have different meanings. You disagreeing with my opinion doesnt mean you 'win'.

Its not semantics

Its precisely semantics on your part as you allege 'some' and 'huge' mean the same thing....they dont.

its you getting upset because you thought I meant or had said "a huge percentage" and you might have tried to get me that way.

I am not upset because you disagree with me - I get upset because you insult my intelligence in trying to strengthen your point. Slight difference.

If you think you can get a small consolation on a gramatical point keep trying, but you wont. youve lost.

Rofl. More with the win/lose epeen. If you want to 'win' then simply be more consistent in your term usage. I object to 'huge', but I think 'some' is a much more fair description. If you are so desperate to be a winner that you have to argue with that, then /shrug.

thats not important now; he's going to try and win on grammar. but hes not.

 

[MobBoss]

Wrong. China has a huge population. 1.3bn. thats what we expect from China.

I just said 'huge' is indicative of a very large number, and you say wrong, but then trot out 1.3 billion. Nice.

China has some of the worlds population. In fact, it has a huge population.

While a true statement, I think most reasonable people would say China has more than just 'some'. In other words, I think 'huge' is a much more descriptive word than the word 'some'.

And talk about who is trying to win on grammer.....

Funny, funny stuff there RRW. Thanks.

No it dosent, because one describes an amount and the other a proportion.

Tell me, are 'amount' and 'proportion' such wildly different things? Not in the current context, no.

Just grow a pair and admit youre wrong. you look pathetic.

Stop being insulting.

 

[LucyDuke]

What are you two fighting about?

 

[MobBoss]

What are you two fighting about?

Trust me...you dont really want to know.

 

[IglooDame]

Trust me...you dont really want to know.

Moderator Action: Neither does anyone else. The both of you (you and RRW) drop it and move on.