New BETA Version - 4.5.1 (February 28, 2024)

[hokath]

@andresw
Here is the breakdown

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For the deals with other empires, I have a +40 peace treaty, and then some luxuries and strategics (coal especially) are selling well.
I have tradition (full), authority (2), and statecraft (full), rationalism (opener only atm), so some +gold per city (and 18 cities, we rex'd hard).
Also 2960/10 turn instant gold yield (you see by hovering over the star in EUI top panel)
p.s. I have 2 unfilled trade slots atm 9/11

 

[andersw]

@andresw
Here is the breakdown


For the deals with other empires, I have a +40 peace treaty, and then some luxuries and strategics (coal especially) are selling well.
I have tradition (full), authority (2), and statecraft (full), rationalism (opener only atm), so some +gold per city (and 18 cities, we rex'd hard).
Also 2960/10 turn instant gold yield (you see by hovering over the star in EUI top panel)
p.s. I have 2 unfilled trade slots atm 9/11

Ok looked at my yields I think a bunch of internal trade routes hurts a bit, that would net me 80-100 more if all were external but I cant compete with full statecraft.
I got 100 more in unit maint and another 100 for buildings.
But I get almost twice the amount in instant yields (maybe because of cathedrals?).
Difference in "from other civilizations" is big, whats that? gpt trades?

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and turn after golden age started which ofc is big for a 23 city empire

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Edit: also took a peek at my Inca game that I gave up because I was too far ahead, I had similar gold without golden age and like 70 turns faster in tech.

 

[hokath]

Yes "from other civilizations" means from trades.
Double mine in instant yields is pretty big though, you're really running around +600 then? (so only a bit less than me)

 

[Captain Carrot]

Just finished a game (514 turns, science victory) with the last version.
I have to say it was a blast. I had the most stable experience of the last few months in terms of CTD (3 in total after Industrial era) despite the large number of enabled mods and players on the map (22).

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Impressive! However, are you sure that all of those mods work with the current version? I was downloading stuff for my next game like that and noticed that quite a few civs weren't updated for 4.x. Benin in particular was last updated during 2.2.1. I assume you at least know that the mods you worked on are compatible even without updates, but can you confirm it for any others?

On another note, I'm planning to use JarCommunitu_79a, and I kinda want to keep the vanilla balance of X civs with 2X city-states, but with 20/40 the map seems a bit too big. I tried editing the dll to allow 21 civs and 42 CS, but while the civ number gets correctly limited to 21, MAX_MINOR_CIVS doesn't seem to do anything, whether I increase or decrease it (nor does it automatically recalculate to 42, as MAX_CIV_PLAYERS - MAX_MAJOR_CIVS would imply). Can anyone help?

 

[azum4roll]

I don't really understand where the big problem is if a "found bug" or a "is it really a bug?" comment appears on the version thread. Isn't that also a purpose for this thread? Everybody's involvement in this project (and I don't just mean the devs) is completely voluntary. The devs don't have any obligation to the users. The users don't have any obligation to the devs (only if they want their problems to be solved).

If somebody writes "I have this problem" the devs can decide if they ask for a bug report, ignore the issue or report it themselves. In a voluntary project it certainly isn't forbidden (or a reason for a harsh tone) to talk about a bug and then decide for yourself whether to report it or not.

Especially if you just want to ask beforehand if anyone else has the same problem.

I think, I rather have a user telling me about a bug in a forum (or talking about it with others) than a user keeping quiet and thinking "nah, they will find out themselves or someone else will tell them". The sooner you will accept that "bug comments" will never go away, the sooner you will find peace of mind.

Ok, sorry. That was my opinion. No bad feelings. End of transmission.

It is okay, if they don't usually require us to ask "which modmods" or "which mapscript", further clogging up the thread. Many of them are also already fixed, waiting for a new release.

I would fix any bug that I see here, but some devs would pretend they've never seen it unless it's posted on Github. It's way easier to track issues on Github than in the forums.

 

[epicivfreak]

Bug reports go on GitHub!

Oh dear God!!
No!!!
Not every single human being on the planet goes on GitHub!!

 

[andersw]

Oh dear God!!
No!!!
Not every single human being on the planet goes on GitHub!!

Its a small effort and helps the voluntary unpaid developers a lot.

 

[SuperNoobCamper]

Brazil, Epic, 7th difficulty , 8players 16 CS standard size for a cultural victory in 422.
I had a really hammers-poor start with a lot of jungles & and no hills at all sharing a massive continent with only me and China there with another sub continent with 4 CS and a lot of space to expand so i went authority & forced China to surrender in early medieval and expanded to a total of 13 cities and two cities i took from China.
after that it was basically a lot of defensive wars against the invading English, Austrian and Polynesian armies combined with invading their island cities I managed to secure influential state against all of them despite a travel ban being imposed thanks to both Austria and England (who with the Help of the Inca managed to invade and eliminate both Sweden and Rome).
I really thing the wide culture game offered by Brazil in addition to Authority's early game is way better than going all in Tradition Tall CV.

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[Vehuiah]

If you use a modpack you can start a multiplayer game in local network with only you and AIs, I think it should work.

Is it possible to run more than 8 AI, Huge Maps, etc on Vox Pop multi as singleplayer?

 

[AndreyK]

Does anyone see that we get too many border points when bulbing GW or use archeological site to bulb culture? It says to me 400 000+ but then in cities I see more than 1-1.5 million. Looks like it gets on top of culture all the multipliers to BPG. Is this intended?

 

[Agiwan]

Is it possible to run more than 8 AI, Huge Maps, etc on Vox Pop multi as singleplayer?

Yes it is normally

 

[DukeBrani]

Does anyone see that we get too many border points when bulbing GW or use archeological site to bulb culture? It says to me 400 000+ but then in cities I see more than 1-1.5 million. Looks like it gets on top of culture all the multipliers to BPG. Is this intended?

Mod conflict?

 

[andersw]

Pangea, 5 tiles between capitals, by far the closest I've seen.
This is a restart, will ju be unfair for these AI's.

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[hokath]

Could you reveal the whole map for us to see how the regions sit?

 

[andersw]

Could you reveal the whole map for us to see how the regions sit?

I thought I didnt have any saves but found one and I've started using IGE recently just because of this.
Pangea low seas standard size, standard cs, standard amount of AIs:
Want save on github?

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[epicivfreak]

Its a small effort and helps the voluntary unpaid developers a lot.

Yeah, I just can't be bothered to go try to retrieve my github login/password nor create a new account on yet-another site at this point in my life.

 

[CppMaster]

Yeah, I just can't be bothered to go try to retrieve my github login/password nor create a new account on yet-another site at this point in my life.

Oh no! Such hussle those few clicks!

 

[JNZS13]

Oh no! Such hussle those few clicks!

Oh oh
Beware the civfanatics police of god behavior

 

[Heinz_Guderian]

Can we please do without sarcasm and discuss in a constructive manner?

 

[azum4roll]

I thought I didnt have any saves but found one and I've started using IGE recently just because of this.
Pangea low seas standard size, standard cs, standard amount of AIs:
Want save on github?

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A fully zoomed out screenshot of the strategic view would be nice.