das
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Feel free to ask questions about any nation, or any details.
Also, whom do you want to hear about the most next?
Also, whom do you want to hear about the most next?
By a Single Decision (Alternate History)
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blackheart
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What's happening in the Far East with China and Japan? Any divergences there?
das
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Well, not yet, but as the Song Dynasty was very seafaring, the differences of the outer world would soon affect China.
(I hope everybody noticed the map in the end of the previous page. Hope you like it.)
Sir Donald III
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das said:
About the right time for a couple of Scenarios? (One on the mainland, and an alternate "Mesoamerican" Scenario after the Pre-Classical period.)
Also, the disowning of the Khyzar Prince might be another "By a Single Decision" moment.
jalapeno_dude
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Yay! A map! Good time for a NES to start...
das
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If you want to do that, you have my blessing.
Glad you liked it. Sadly, Khazaria might be generally going downhills now... well, temporarily at least.
As said before...
silivasilver12
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i must have forgotten but, what happened to the eastern caliphate?
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Just to ask, (because I'm actually formulating ideas for a "New World Discovery" Mod based on this,) what are the 3 South American Civs down there? I'm assuming that the Northernmost one is the Moche?
das
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From north to south, Moche, Cuzco, Tiahuanaco.
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OOC: Just realized that I forgot to mention Hadramaut (the nation in the south of Arabia).
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Chapter Sixty Eight.
When in 955 AD the Eastern Caliphate fell apart, the Arabian Peninsula, the birthplace of Islam but now a quite impoverished province of it, was also broken and divided into pieces. Chieftains, warlords, even merchants formed their armies and bands and fought for supremacy, and it was all chaos in Arabia.
But by 960, an odd kind of stability came to Arabia. The Mujahaddin zealots controlled Mecca, Medina and Jiddah. Shiites secured their holy sites in the eastern Hasa region. In Yemen (ITTL "Yemen" means all of south Arabia), a local chieftain allied with the governor of Timna' to forge the coastal empire of Hadramaut. But in the Arabian desert, the "orderly days" of the Eastern Caliphate were never particularily orderly, and thus the various local Bedouin tribes took to the desert again, altogether reverting to pre-Islamic mode government-wise (oh, sure, they still were Muslims, but they were nomads and did not belong to anyone but themselves).
When in 963 the Western Caliphal forces approached Mecca and Medina and forced the surrender of the Mujahaddin, that raised quite some concern amongst the Bedouin tribes, who prepared to fend back a Caliphal attack. It, ofcourse, never came and the Bedouins, briefly united, decided to use it to pillage Hadramautean lands.
But in 964, when they attacked Hadramaut, the new sultan of Hadramaut -Yasser Habbiniyah - led his army to battle, and the Bedouins were stopped and routed at Sa'dah. The Bedouins would never dare to attack Hadramaut again, at least not at such scale and not any time soon. The triumphant Habbiniyah used his newly-gained fame to expand his control throughout Yemen and to ensure his dynasty's power. Hadramaut adopted some old traditions of the pre-Islamic kingdoms, the most important one being that of maritime trade. But it was taken to a whole new level. Not only did the Hadramautean ships travel as far as India and the Swahili city-state of Manda - no, now they also explored the ocean, reaching the distant merchant empire of Srivijaya in Sumatra and the mystirious southern city of Kilwa, and they discovered the sparsely-populated giant island of "Madagascar" (as the natives called it) or "Merinistan" (as the Hadramauteans called it). On their dhows, which improved as the time went by, the Hadramauteans brought the Great Age of Discovery to the Indian Ocean.
Some say they even sailed to China.
jalapeno_dude
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More, more, MORE!
Sir Donald III
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Seing as how Islam is in this timeline the forebearer of inter-continental exploration, (as Christianity was IRL) could you also set time to how they would set time, as in 1000 AD / ??? Mohammed Era? (And what event and Christian Year would that be?)
das
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I could, but that would be rather inconvenient for me and for the readers, wouldn't it? And don't forget that the Vikings are also doing quite well in inter-continental exploration.
1000 AD=390 AH (After Hegira)
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Chapter Sixty Nine.
Hermaland was a very diverse nation. Ruled from the city of Havel by a Germanized Magyar elite, Hermaland was not as much divided into Germans and Magyars as it was into, for example, Bavarians and Saxons. There was also a religious difference - again, not as much between the abstract "Pagans" and Christians, but more like between the Roman Catholics (in the far west and parts of the south), Wormsian "Catholics" (center), Aryan Christians (minority, spread out), Saxon Catholics (northwest) and several insignificant minority Christianities here and there.
How did a bunch of recent horse nomads handle all that? It is a common street myth that Magyars were more capable administrators then the other nomads, for whichever reason. But they weren't. They were quite average in that regard. Their only advantage here was their sound policy in regards to administration - meaning that they employed the native, more experienced administrators to run the country for them. Normally, that worked, but in Hermaland, the German administrators soon ran into a problem. The Slavs.
Ever since the Khazar campaigns devastated the old Slavic tribal unions, the Slavs were, for the most part, under control of either Hermaland, either Magyaria, either Khazaria, either Byzantia. Needless to say, they were not happy about it, and in Hermaland and Khazaria especially the Slavs often rose up. Indeed, control over numerous Slavic-populated territories, both for Khazaria and Hermaland, was quite nominal most of the times.
Yet the worst of it came in the year 1001, when Svytopluk Malko started his rebellion.
1000 AD=390 AH (After Hegira)
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Chapter Sixty Nine.
Hermaland was a very diverse nation. Ruled from the city of Havel by a Germanized Magyar elite, Hermaland was not as much divided into Germans and Magyars as it was into, for example, Bavarians and Saxons. There was also a religious difference - again, not as much between the abstract "Pagans" and Christians, but more like between the Roman Catholics (in the far west and parts of the south), Wormsian "Catholics" (center), Aryan Christians (minority, spread out), Saxon Catholics (northwest) and several insignificant minority Christianities here and there.
How did a bunch of recent horse nomads handle all that? It is a common street myth that Magyars were more capable administrators then the other nomads, for whichever reason. But they weren't. They were quite average in that regard. Their only advantage here was their sound policy in regards to administration - meaning that they employed the native, more experienced administrators to run the country for them. Normally, that worked, but in Hermaland, the German administrators soon ran into a problem. The Slavs.
Ever since the Khazar campaigns devastated the old Slavic tribal unions, the Slavs were, for the most part, under control of either Hermaland, either Magyaria, either Khazaria, either Byzantia. Needless to say, they were not happy about it, and in Hermaland and Khazaria especially the Slavs often rose up. Indeed, control over numerous Slavic-populated territories, both for Khazaria and Hermaland, was quite nominal most of the times.
Yet the worst of it came in the year 1001, when Svytopluk Malko started his rebellion.
Sir Donald III
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Could you possibly include a map of Eastern Europe to show Slavic "Holdings" around 1010 AD / 400 AH? And is Hegira the time when Muhammad received the Quaran?
das
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Nah. Surely its not that hard to imagine? From Lake Onega in the northeast to the river of Elbe in the west, with an enclave in OTL Romania and a larger one in the Byzantine Balkans.
Hegira=when he travelled from Mecca to Medina.
Hegira=when he travelled from Mecca to Medina.
das
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OOC: Actually, they're not who you think they are.
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Chapter Seventy.
The Slavs in Khazar lands were largely disorganized, broken into small clans. The Slavs in Hermese lands were a different story altogether. They primarily settled east of Elbe, and were, though unofficially, united into a few - five or so - tribes. One of the reasons was that the Khazar governors used "divide and conquer" tactics, whilst the Hermese were not as "byzantine" as that. Another reason was population density - the Khazar Slavs were less numerous, and had more "free" land to occupy, while the Hermese Slavs lived close to each other.
During the days of the Greater Magyaray, the Slavs were scared into submission. That lasted INTO the beginning of the Hermese period, but not far beyond it. By the beginning of the new millenium, the Slavs (who, btw, were largely pagan) were increasingly dissenting, if only because the Hermese Magyars acted rather high-handedly (there were a few Hermese military outposts on and near the border with Khazaria; the Magyars there didn't care much for Slavs). Ofcourse, the Slavic rebellion needed a leader, and soon it found one.
Svytopluk Malko was only a minor tribal chieftain in 999. In 1000, he became very influential in his region. In 1001, he formally challenged the Hermese authority and burned down a nearby outpost. When a Hermese punitive expedition was ambushed by his Slavs (masters of camouflage) and annihilated, he persuaded his fellow chieftains on the river Wiszla (Vistula) that time came for a rebellion - that the Gods were on his side. After the Hermese defeat at Broniborsk in early 1002, he was finally acknowledged as the "vitjaz of all the Wislians", a supreme ruler. Strong, charismatic and cunning (and cruel, when need be), Svytopluk was the perfect rebel leader.
IC:
Chapter Seventy.
The Slavs in Khazar lands were largely disorganized, broken into small clans. The Slavs in Hermese lands were a different story altogether. They primarily settled east of Elbe, and were, though unofficially, united into a few - five or so - tribes. One of the reasons was that the Khazar governors used "divide and conquer" tactics, whilst the Hermese were not as "byzantine" as that. Another reason was population density - the Khazar Slavs were less numerous, and had more "free" land to occupy, while the Hermese Slavs lived close to each other.
During the days of the Greater Magyaray, the Slavs were scared into submission. That lasted INTO the beginning of the Hermese period, but not far beyond it. By the beginning of the new millenium, the Slavs (who, btw, were largely pagan) were increasingly dissenting, if only because the Hermese Magyars acted rather high-handedly (there were a few Hermese military outposts on and near the border with Khazaria; the Magyars there didn't care much for Slavs). Ofcourse, the Slavic rebellion needed a leader, and soon it found one.
Svytopluk Malko was only a minor tribal chieftain in 999. In 1000, he became very influential in his region. In 1001, he formally challenged the Hermese authority and burned down a nearby outpost. When a Hermese punitive expedition was ambushed by his Slavs (masters of camouflage) and annihilated, he persuaded his fellow chieftains on the river Wiszla (Vistula) that time came for a rebellion - that the Gods were on his side. After the Hermese defeat at Broniborsk in early 1002, he was finally acknowledged as the "vitjaz of all the Wislians", a supreme ruler. Strong, charismatic and cunning (and cruel, when need be), Svytopluk was the perfect rebel leader.
das
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Incidentally, this is not dead, but simply pending feedback.
blackheart
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