C2C - Transhuman Era

I'll chime in with what I think. I think a lot of these technologies desperately need renaming. The concepts are not bad, as far as I can tell. The problem is that the names are focusing far too much on specifics and not enough on fundamental underpinnings.

Example 1: Metamorphosis GPS. I think this is a really bad name. I would prefer (and am going to use myself, thanks to a modmod) Nanosatellite Network. The important thing is that you have created nanosatellites and put enough of them into orbit to create a far more capable satellite network than ever before. That you can then run a GPS system off of this is (to me) incidental, and almost obvious at this point in the game. Next Generation GPS has the same issue. I'd like something less application-focused.

Example 2: Insecta Robotics. From the Civilopedia text, this sounds like a brand name, which is a really bad idea for a tech name. I would suggest something simpler, like Microbots.

Example 3: "Relative" adjectives. One of my philosophies for tech naming is "Show, Don't Tell". With only 2-3 words, that means you really have to find the ideal adjective for a tech name. You need to show WHY this tech is different, and not just have us accept it. I do not like any of the tech names that start with Ancient, Modern, or Advanced, and I am trying to find better names for them (same modmod project). I think these techs need a better adjective:
  • Artisan Firefighting (this makes absolutely no sense as a name)
  • Contemporary Vehicles (Contemporary means "of its time" -- it sounds to me like an advertising word. It suggests big 1950's cars with fins.)
  • First Responder Robotics (I get where you're going, but the adjectives need work)
  • Sophisticated Lasers (WHY are they sophisticated? If you need to create a word, I would do so.)
  • Specialized Police (again, why are they specialized? What are they specialized in?)
  • Theoretical Physics (there has to be a better adjective for this)
There are more that I would like to see fixed, but these are the ones that really stick out.

I also have a very hard time buying some of the tech tree connections. I've already mentioned that I didn't see how Animalia Exoskeletons could be necessary for Skyroads, which is about directing aerial traffic. I think Blue Electromagnetic Pulse is trying to be more places than it needs to be (like Asymmetrical Architecture? Why?)

The techs I can see removing without losing any complexity are:
  • Digitalized Fabrics (how is this different from Wearable Computers?)
  • Intelligent Pavement (could probably be folded into Automated Urbanization)
  • Launchpod Jetpack
 
At Metamorphosis, these satellites have machine learning..they are basically robotic bug satellites that can think. WAY different than today satellites. A cellphone is way different than a landline. Also theire are different classes ...Broadcast, Military, Cartography, and Civilian Metamorphosis GPS.


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Dont they look extremely different?

But you're focusing on the application, not the satellite. Nanosatellites is a perfectly good tech name. I prefer Nanosatellite Network myself.
 
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I have to agree with ls612. Technologies are a technique or idea not a tool or minor change to a tool. This is a problem we have had in all eras and gets lots of discussion.

To get to the "final" tech tree it needs some one to write down the idea and links first before people can get the whole view of the era, and you are doing that well MrAzure. Now we need to start pulling your work apart and moving bits in, out and around. It will get worse as we begin to play these eras.
 
What do you think?



Delete:
-digitalized fabrics
-assymetrical architecture
-launchpod jetpack
-next generation gps
-intelligent pavement
-specialized police
-artisan firefighting

Renames

-Insecta Robotics name changed to Microbots

-Contemporary Vehicles changed to Concept Vehicles

- First Responder Robotics to Disaster Robots
-Sophisticated Lasers to Multispectrum Lasers

Animalia Exoskeletons are not necessary for Skyroads

Metamorphosis is now Nanosatellite network.

Maximilian is now Picosatellite Network

and the last one will be Molecularsat Network. [Molecularsatellite]

Edit:


Delete
Modular Armament
Biodiversity Infomatics (combine with Genesis biology)
Binary Legislation
Creation Dogma
Luna Jurisdiction
 
I have to agree with ls612. Technologies are a technique or idea not a tool or minor change to a tool. This is a problem we have had in all eras and gets lots of discussion.

To get to the "final" tech tree it needs some one to write down the idea and links first before people can get the whole view of the era, and you are doing that well MrAzure. Now we need to start pulling your work apart and moving bits in, out and around. It will get worse as we begin to play these eras.

That is a very good idea, I always discuss concept units I have before adding them, and will criticize Hydro's or other's ideas on the forums, that way only the high-quality stuff makes it on to the SVN. There is a lot of individual modder freedom on the C2C team, but we still need to be in agreement on major changes.
 
I have to agree with ls612. Technologies are a technique or idea not a tool or minor change to a tool. This is a problem we have had in all eras and gets lots of discussion.

A technique or idea. That will be my new mentality.

Deleting
-Superb Water Purificiation
-Ultra Genemods
-Aquamarine Sovereignty
-Aerial Sovereignty
-Whole Brain Emulation


Renaming
-Geontypic Augmentation to Designer Genes
-Soul Emulation to Mind Emulation


What do you think?



Delete:
-digitalized fabrics
-assymetrical architecture
-launchpod jetpack
-next generation gps
-intelligent pavement
-specialized police
-artisan firefighting

Renames

-Insecta Robotics name changed to Microbots

-Contemporary Vehicles changed to Concept Vehicles

- First Responder Robotics to Disaster Robots
-Sophisticated Lasers to Multispectrum Lasers

Animalia Exoskeletons are not necessary for Skyroads

Metamorphosis is now Nanosatellite network.

Maximilian is now Picosatellite Network

and the last one will be Molecularsat Network. [Molecularsatellite]

Edit:


Delete
Modular Armament
Biodiversity Infomatics (combine with Genesis biology)
Binary Legislation
Creation Dogma
Luna Jurisdiction

Edit:
Delete
 
I think Smart Vehicles would work even better than Concept Vehicles. From reading your Civilopedia text, there are several different improvements, but the self-driving ability is the big change. What do you think?
 
I think Smart Vehicles would work even better than Concept Vehicles. From reading your Civilopedia text, there are several different improvements, but the self-driving ability is the big change. What do you think?
Thats the word im looking for!

Updated Digital, Cyber, and Nano Era Techs Schemas (8.0)

Ignore Lanchpod Jetpack.its getting merged with Transonic Traffic
Spoiler :
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No! Okay ive been a lurker hear since August 2011, and ive been reading almost every post for the past year.

1st. MrAzure, great job! o keep these Techs you added.


What the..I love those Techs, don't delete them! Change the name of the GPS to the nanosatellites, but dont delete those techs. Before i continue, MrAzure you need to have the courage to stand up to your ideas, only 1 person has disagreed with you, and he can make a modmod if wants too, or his personal game.

1st of all Wearable computers ≠ digital fabrics. Gameboy ≠ Xbox 360.
The military has wearable computers and that technology will allow a commercialization of digital fabrics..

wearable computers
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digital fabrics
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like this, but the image moves, they use nanofibers and textile LCDs.Maybe add a wonder digital Fashion Show?



keep the launchpod jetpack tECH but rename it to Personal Flying Vehicles. The future needs jetpacks.


keep Biodiversity Infomatics but rename it to Biodiversity Geonomics. This a major science that is developing and ≠ mean Genesis Biology.

Genesis Biology is the study of past biological life.
Biodiversity Geonomics is to collect the genomes of all biodiversity.

specialized police/firefighting-yeah they need to be deleted.
BUT there needs to be a tech about police/figherfighting androids.


Superb Water Purificiation needs to stay. Maybe a rename.

I like futurstic theology! dont remove this tech..I liked the Virtual Cathedral idea. I like this quirky techs. I loved the new religion ideas mentioned days ago, (Enigmo? Astran?), they will be perfect for corporations.


oh, can you add more "girly" techs/buidings Mr.Azure?
Permanent Makeup Salon?
Fashion Shows?
Dress Shops

and on the biology side..Super Pheromes/ External Wombs?


Please dont delete those techs, there was a reason you added them and I think unless Hydro or Sir. Strategyonly tell you to delete them, keep them. for example that Saturn Exploration Tech was bad and im glad it got changed to Jovian exploration.

Im actually a futurist nerd girl. I have some Tech/Buildings ideas.
 
@MrAzure

After reading those wiki pages, I must say that I still stand by what I said - with a little better understanding at what you're getting at, but I still stand by what I said.

Affective Computing (as it's called on the wiki) is more of an ongoing study, not really a technology.
Evolutionary Algorithms is really just a double of machine learning - perhaps you should rename machine learning to Adaptive Computing. Coincidentally, Adaptive Computing would also incorporate the byproduct of Affective Computing.

Theoretical Physics, although a legitimate study, (and after seeing Vokarya wanting it's name changed) could probably be renamed to Imaginary Physics; Saying something is imaginary means otherworldly; not something common and not something that's (usually) made-up.

Aerodynamic Antigrav (misspelled on your sheet there) looks more like two different techs just mashed together. It should most likely just be deleted and anything in it moved to require the two other separate techs.

Oort Cloud Probes should be deleted and turned into a team project.

Chameleon Suit should be an infantry promo instead of a tech - it's basically just metamaterials and wearable electronics mashed into one.

Affinitybond Slavery sounds more like a slave trade company than a tech...

Liquid Metals would never come to fruition due to health violations (it's the reason mercury was banned from direct contact). As a general rule of chemistry, if it's a liquid state, then there WILL be floating particles and due to politics and bureaucracies, such a technology would be shunned like the plague.

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@MarisellaB
Glad to see another joining the discussion, welcome!
The way you described wearable electronics is a common misconception - wearable electronics means to tailor the computers into fabrics and not to simply just place them on a helmet, etc.
 
@MrAzure

After reading those wiki pages, I must say that I still stand by what I said - with a little better understanding at what you're getting at, but I still stand by what I said.

Affective Computing (as it's called on the wiki) is more of an ongoing study, not really a technology.
Evolutionary Algorithms is really just a double of machine learning - perhaps you should rename machine learning to Adaptive Computing. Coincidentally, Adaptive Computing would also incorporate the byproduct of Affective Computing.

Theoretical Physics, although a legitimate study, (and after seeing Vokarya wanting it's name changed) could probably be renamed to Imaginary Physics; Saying something is imaginary means otherworldly; not something common and not something that's (usually) made-up.

Aerodynamic Antigrav (misspelled on your sheet there) looks more like two different techs just mashed together. It should most likely just be deleted and anything in it moved to require the two other separate techs.

Oort Cloud Probes should be deleted and turned into a team project.

Chameleon Suit should be an infantry promo instead of a tech - it's basically just metamaterials and wearable electronics mashed into one.

Affinitybond Slavery sounds more like a slave trade company than a tech...

Liquid Metals would never come to fruition due to health violations (it's the reason mercury was banned from direct contact). As a general rule of chemistry, if it's a liquid state, then there WILL be floating particles and due to politics and bureaucracies, such a technology would be shunned like the plague.

EDIT:
@MarisellaB
Glad to see another joining the discussion, welcome!
The way you described wearable electronics is a common misconception - wearable electronics means to tailor the computers into fabrics and not to simply just place them on a helmet, etc.

at Mr.Azure
Civ Fuehrer do you agree?


Mr.Azure, I agree with Civ Fuehrer on some things ,(hello by the way!).

-Affective Computing is more of a study, than a Technology, i agree. Ever seen the movie Artificial Intelligence? the whole movie is about Affective computing, which means to give robots emotions and the ability to fall in love. Affective Algorithms should be renamed to Affective computing. It should be kept as a Tech. I can see a couple of buidings(Supertoys Factory, Lifelike Dolls).

-Now, is machine learning for robots, and evolutionary algorithms for AI?


-Theoretical Physics is a science but i dont see a problem being called Imaginary Physics.

-I read earlier in this thread about Aerodynamik Antigrav. Its 2nd generation Antigrav right? ( u said 1200 or 1500 mph? vs 500 or 600 for ordinary antigrav?) I love the wipeout games (the antigrav racers), and can visualized what you meant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wipeout_(series)

Antigrav:
Wipeout 2048

Aerodynamik Antigrav:
Wipeout 2097

am i right?

One is 2x faster than the other, the first only works magnetic tracks and the 2nd is freefloating and you can go anywhere? Civ Fuehrer this might be two separate techs.

-Oort Cloud Probes should be a team project. (good idea!)


-Affinitybond Slavery?
u got that from orion arm right? ( U MENTIONed that site alot)

A shared empathetic and technotelepathic connection between two or more entities.

This may be two or more sentients of equal intelligence and control, or a higher ("master") and lower ("slave") level consciousness. e.g. a near-baseline or bioborg may be affinity-bonded ("master") with an animal, neogen, bot, or remote ("slave"). Or - in the case of some forms of aicratic priesthood, the same sentient may be a "slave" affinity-bonded to an SI:1 or above ("master"). Often a very close emotional link develops between afinitybonded sentients, and there are frequent reports of to flashes of genuine (non-techno-mediated) telepathy, siddhis, and so on, although never consistently enough to be replicated under scientific conditions.

-Chameleon Suit- hmmm, maybe more of a promo..OR change the tech to Chameleon something? Like invisibilty but cloaks you and buildings to your surroundings?

-Liquid Metals will be highy regulated. Civ Fuehrer is right. They will never reach commercialization. You said they are a fuel for the Shockwave Engine..now is it like a acid in a battery or like a gas pump? If its a battery style, it can be used by civilians. If thats the case, the TECH should be named to Liquid Metal Battery.


-last. Civ Fuehrer should he delete Wearable Computers or Digitalized Fabrics? I vote for Wearable Computers.


also, very very good ideas! I noticed you try to include a variety of TECHs instead of just weapons.
 
MrAzure

like you did with the early techs you added, can you post a small summary for the new Techs? Like i understand what Aerodynamic Antigrav is, and how its different from regular Antigrav,but many dont, and I am confused on some of the new techs,( some of the new plants), I think I know what they mean but if you wouldn't mind, can you?

remeber to make the Tech names a friendly as possible too! try to replace latin with "normal" names. Also I know it sounds futuristic but i recommend naming techs with normal names. Aerodynamik, name it Aerodynamic even it doesn't look as futuristic. Not everyone is a futuristi, for alot of people this will be the first time they hear about future stuff! Player friendly > Scientifically or Fictionally correct. I know it can suck!This is a game after all lol! thank you for renaming spiritual futurisma to futuristic theology.. :)

ls612 was right nanosatelite networks is friendlier than metamorphosis GPS, I get it right away instead of saying huh? let me check the pedia. Later make a modmod with weird futuristic names, ill be the 1st to help ;)
 
The reasoning behind saying Chameleon Suit should be a promo instead of a tech is that the whole metamaterial prototyping ordeal (IRL) is actually based around military application. If you've ever played Metal Gear Solid 4, then you'd know exactly what it entails.

The thumbnail below or the youtube vid here.
 

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Im a lirker but I want to help too, P loved Final Fontier and wished it was more. Im into Cyberpunk and Retrofuture, and I have some ideas too. I know a little about mech anime, and future aircraft.


1. Are humans still born naturally?
2. I would use this list in your planning:

1. AI
2. robotics
3. Biology
4. Chemistry
5. Aircraft
6. Land forces
7. Naval Forces
8. brain interace
7. transportation
8.housing
9.religion
10.government
11. entertainment
12. VR
13. Space exploration
14. materials
15.reproduction
16. genetic engineering
17. spy/recon
18. art
19.animals
20. plants
21. colonization
23. music/movies/culture
24. superweapons
 
Im a luker but I want to help too, P loved Final Fontier and wished it was more. Im into Cyberpunk and Retrofuture, and I have some ideas too. I know a little about mech anime, and future aircraft.


1. Are humans still born naturally?
2. I would use this list in your planning:

1. AI
2. robotics
3. Biology
4. Chemistry
5. Aircraft
6. Land forces
7. Naval Forces
8. brain interace
7. transportation
8.housing
9.religion
10.government
11. entertainment
12. VR
13. Space exploration
14. materials
15.reproduction
16. genetic engineering
17. spy/recon
18. art
19.animals
20. plants
21. colonization
23. music/movies/culture
24. superweapons
 
The reasoning behind saying Chameleon Suit should be a promo instead of a tech is that the whole metamaterial prototyping ordeal (IRL) is actually based around military application. If you've ever played Metal Gear Solid 4, then you'd know exactly what it entails.

The thumbnail below or the youtube vid here.

Under what Tech will the promo fall in, its too advanced for Invisibilty. What about its own Tech? Complete Camouflage?

my money is on Optronics.

Can buidngs be shiledied with a Chameleon Shield?

He also has Chromatoclothes..let me see what that is.

nvermind..it has nothing to do with camoflauge..
Smart" clothing that mimics the chromatophore firing patterns of certain species (most notably Bitenic Squid) that use chromatophores for communications.

Often worn by baseline or nearbaseline humans, but can be adapted for any species that wears clothing and normally relies on a form of communication other than chromatophoric). Cromatophoric clothing allows the user to communicate with any sophont who can understand chromatophoric languages.A variation of the technology equipped with a DNI interface and which translates the chromatophore flashing patterns of another sophont into sonic speech the wearer can also hear is also available.


At their most basic, chromatoclothes sense the sub-vocalizations of the person wearing them, and translate them from the wearer's native language into chromatophoric symbols. Many designs are self-luminous, allowing communication in both a well-lit or darkened environment. Chromatoclothes are popular among models, singers, and other public performers.
 
Mr Azure,
like MarisellaB said, can you list a summary of the new techs?

Yeah Chameleon Suit should be under Optronics, I agree. A Chameleon should be a futuristic spy, but not good at combat since the chameleon suit isnt armored.
 
Under what Tech will the promo fall in, its too advanced for Invisibilty. What about its own Tech? Complete Camouflage?

my money is on Optronics.

Can buidngs be shiledied with a Chameleon Shield?

He also has Chromatoclothes..let me see what that is.

nvermind..it has nothing to do with camoflauge..

Oddly enough, full megapixel invisibility is more advanced than this and is INSANELY expensive compared to self colorizing materials. Optronics is using photons instead of electrons in machines which is way waaaay ahead of this time. OctoCamo (As it's called in MGS4) could be applied to anything - planes, tanks, structures... However it would be most effective with mobile units since perspective is its enemy (if it were a building, it could appear invisible from one direction, but not another).
 
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