Hydromancerx
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Well Sagan 4 stuff (or other exobiology projects) would not be added until say Interstellar Colonization when civs are exploring and colonizing planets outside our solar system. So like mid Galactic Era.
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Well Sagan 4 stuff (or other exobiology projects) would not be added until say Interstellar Colonization when civs are exploring and colonizing planets outside our solar system. So like mid Galactic Era.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
These seem like the same thing.
This is already under Plastics tech. And it just called Toy Store. Befor the modern version was a Toy Maker's Workshop which works as both the producer and retailer.
Azurian
The Azurian
They may seem the same thing, but they are different industries.
Computer Animation creates polygon character and worlds with software. The art is all about design.
CGI Movie Studios use motion capture, green screen chroma key, and visual FX to customize the digital film of a movie presentation. The art is all about media manipulation.
It could be argued that both of them have a symbiotic relationship with one another, and even if they are both to different industries, for game play purposes can be represented as one building.
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I have a question, how well is Cusine, Food Science, Molecular gastronomy , Food chemistry, and Food engineering presented in Caveman 2 Cosmos? I see fruits and vegetables, but no types of restaurants or food cooking methods. The reason I am asking is because for
Food chemistry – the molecular composition of food and the involvement of these molecules in chemical reactions
Food physical chemistry- the study of both physical and chemical interactions in foods in terms of physical and chemical principles applied to food systems, as well as the application of physicochemical techniques and instrumentation for the study and analysis of foods
Food engineering – the industrial processes used to manufacture food
Food microbiology – the positive and negative interactions between micro-organisms and foods
Food packaging – the study of how packaging is used to preserve food after it has been processed and contain it through distribution
Food safety – the causes, prevention and communication dealing with food-borne illness
Food technology – the technological aspects
Molecular gastronomy – the scientific investigation of processes in cooking, social and artistic gastronomical phenomena
New product development – the invention of new food products
Hydromancerx
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@MrAzure
1. They are close enough. I merged them into a CGI Animation Studio to cover both Motion Capture and more traditional techniques using 3D meshed stuff. Because its only a matter of how you move the 3D figure, be it moving it like claymation or using motion capture. Or a mixture of both. And from personal experience taking art and game design classes for school much of those overlap is not worth 2 separate in game buildings.
2. I feel we could represent various Food techs but we don't want to get too crazy specific. I think something like a Culinary School would be good to add to the University.
1. They are close enough. I merged them into a CGI Animation Studio to cover both Motion Capture and more traditional techniques using 3D meshed stuff. Because its only a matter of how you move the 3D figure, be it moving it like claymation or using motion capture. Or a mixture of both. And from personal experience taking art and game design classes for school much of those overlap is not worth 2 separate in game buildings.
2. I feel we could represent various Food techs but we don't want to get too crazy specific. I think something like a Culinary School would be good to add to the University.
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I'm not a modder at all, but there's already a Music School and Slaughterhouse building (Unless Meathouse and Slaughterhouse are supposed to be different).
Hydromancerx
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@MrAzure
Ok you really need to check over existing buildings to see if we already have stuff you are susgesting. I can already see just by glancing at you list we have a lot such as ...
- Dried Meat Maker
- Dried Fish Maker
- Dried Fruit Maker
- Smokehouse
- Soybean Farm
- Dining Hall
- Brewery
- Distillery
- Vineyard (plus different kinds of wines at Alchemy)
- Ice Cream Parlor
- Cafe
- City Bistro
- Pizza Parlor
- Burger Joint
- Speak Easy
- Taco Hut
- Pancake House
- Bed and Breakfast
- Deli
- Diner
- Dive Bar
- Soda Factory
- Potato Chip Factory
- Chocolate Factory
- Nuttella Factory
- Meat Packing Plant
- Meal Center
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I am not saying I am against new techs its just I wanted to let you know where are current food buildings were.
Ok you really need to check over existing buildings to see if we already have stuff you are susgesting. I can already see just by glancing at you list we have a lot such as ...
- Dried Meat Maker
- Dried Fish Maker
- Dried Fruit Maker
- Smokehouse
- Soybean Farm
- Dining Hall
- Brewery
- Distillery
- Vineyard (plus different kinds of wines at Alchemy)
- Ice Cream Parlor
- Cafe
- City Bistro
- Pizza Parlor
- Burger Joint
- Speak Easy
- Taco Hut
- Pancake House
- Bed and Breakfast
- Deli
- Diner
- Dive Bar
- Soda Factory
- Potato Chip Factory
- Chocolate Factory
- Nuttella Factory
- Meat Packing Plant
- Meal Center
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Currently covered by Mass Transit tech.
This is a bit vague but the buildings you list either fall under Refrigeration or Consumerism techs.
Again Refrigeration or Consumerism.
Most health food stuff was put under Counterculture. Sports foods were under Modern Sports or Extreme Sports.
I am not saying I am against new techs its just I wanted to let you know where are current food buildings were.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
On cooking:- Books specifically on cooking don't appear common until about 1000 AD in the west. Before (and after) that cooking recipes occur in other books with other subjects. These are called Miscellanies. One of my most popular dishes I do for people comes from a 13th century miscellany from Iceland. There are exceptions with a few Roman and Greek books mostly about cooking but even then they were from a philosophy or health perspective. Same goes for religious traditions about food preparation and restrictions ie they were more about health and safety pre refrigeration in hot climes.
So maybe change Cookbooks at Alphabet to something else eg Local Recipe. Books are more in line with Literature anyway.
So maybe change Cookbooks at Alphabet to something else eg Local Recipe. Books are more in line with Literature anyway.
Azurian
The Azurian
I believe you are mistaken.
Mass Transit was 1920s, Highway System started in 1950s with Eisenhower.
Consumerism and department stores was 1920s.
What you listed was 1850-1930s, where people walked or took carriages too.
Refrigeration and Electronic Refrigeration happens several decades apart, like 60 years. Thet both caused a different food industry and supermarket boom, with electronic refergeration in the 1950s.
I am taking about the drive in, casual dining, and fine dining era that exploded after the Eisenhower Era and Electronic Refrigeration from 1950s til today.
Food Engineering is an actual science, how is it vague? That's like saying Biology is vague.
Why was it put under Counterculture, that was a social and musical movement.
Mass Transit was 1920s, Highway System started in 1950s with Eisenhower.
Consumerism and department stores was 1920s.
What you listed was 1850-1930s, where people walked or took carriages too.
Refrigeration and Electronic Refrigeration happens several decades apart, like 60 years. Thet both caused a different food industry and supermarket boom, with electronic refergeration in the 1950s.
I am taking about the drive in, casual dining, and fine dining era that exploded after the Eisenhower Era and Electronic Refrigeration from 1950s til today.
Food Engineering is an actual science, how is it vague? That's like saying Biology is vague.
Why was it put under Counterculture, that was a social and musical movement.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Well first there wa a bi debate when Vokarya redid the tech tree on where Mass Transit should be. It ended up being mid Industrial era which meaning most techs are around the 1890s.
Highways the building comes at Mass Transit (X62) but Expressway (Req Regulated Civic) is at Applied Economics (x67). Which places it in the 1940' or 1950's.
Note that the modern Era starts around 1950. But as in all things in history not ever civ gets things at the same time. So it ore of a rough approximation. And even then the player can choose to beeline or not. Thus neglecting some techs and getting others early.
Consumerism (X66) sits round 1930's to 1940's on the tree. So its about right.
I am not sure what the point you were making. Are you saying it was too late? Cause refrigeration is at Refrigeration (X60) which sits it around the 1880's.
Well I was thinking we should have a Franchises tech for quite some time. It could go around there and not be specific to foods. Note we also have Globalization around there so perhaps it could be the between tech.
Consumerism (x66)-> Franchises (x67) -> Globalization (x68)
Biology IS vague.
Basically the whole Hippies, Granola, Organic Heath Food Stores. Note that Counterculture ha been a big catch all for buildings that don't fit anywhere else.
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Hydromancerx
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1. Yes. That was the idea. I have stated before that I wanted to have both Guilds and Franchises.
I have some Ideas for new Corporations, we can even have Non-Profits and Charities under that tech.
2. We have some already like a Philanthropic Organization, Foundation, etc.
3. My review ...
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4. I posted some tech for you to make in the tech thread.
http://www.futuretimeline.net/
I think this website might be good source of Transhuman building/civics/techs ideas.
For example there could be Matter Replicator as building.
It could give you all known resources.
Since its 2190 year prediction, I think it could be unlocked by very late (X = 100 - X = 105) Transhuman era.
Also I heard about Resource-based economy. It could have benefits of Green and Post-scarcity economies. I think it could be unlocked by Utopia Destiny tech.
Also there could be predictions for Events/Quests/Projects: 2060-2100 year is about stressed and rapidly changing world.
2200 year prediction is about approaching Technology Utopia.
After that MOST of pollution/disease/fire/crime and other bad properties should be non-existant and their "buildings" go obsolete.
I think this website might be good source of Transhuman building/civics/techs ideas.
For example there could be Matter Replicator as building.
It could give you all known resources.
Since its 2190 year prediction, I think it could be unlocked by very late (X = 100 - X = 105) Transhuman era.
Also I heard about Resource-based economy. It could have benefits of Green and Post-scarcity economies. I think it could be unlocked by Utopia Destiny tech.
Also there could be predictions for Events/Quests/Projects: 2060-2100 year is about stressed and rapidly changing world.
2200 year prediction is about approaching Technology Utopia.
After that MOST of pollution/disease/fire/crime and other bad properties should be non-existant and their "buildings" go obsolete.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
No problem. This has always been the case, when I have picked what should be in the mod. There has been a lot on my lists over the years that get rejected.
Note that I encourage MrAzure to post any and all things he thinks should be in. This is good for brainstorming but may not be good in game. the other factor is how should it be express in game? Many things are either too minor or implied by other buildings/resources/units/promotions.
For instance I have have "Nail Maker" on my list for the longest time but still have not decided if that is too minor of a thing to include.
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The link Raxo posted is REALLY cool! You should have a look at it. It would be awesome if we can develope something that represents the changes discribed there.
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