C3C PBEM - WW2 Global

[Dazz_G]

If I recall correctly, 3 of the 5 planes I lost in my aborted raid were also shot down by SAMs.

 

[eric_A]

If I recall correctly, 3 of the 5 planes I lost in my aborted raid were also shot down by SAMs.

There were no SAMs (surface to Air Missles) in 1939, shouldn't that
be FLAK?

 

[perkins-mah]

I hurried a Air Defence Battery improvment or somthing along those lines, but it is not flak, as far as i know it is a improvment not a unit but i cannot rememebr of hand

anyway!

Muahahaha

 

[Dazz_G]

There were no SAMs (surface to Air Missles) in 1939, shouldn't that
be FLAK?

I just find SAM easier to spell

 

[Rubberjello]

Exciting news from Russia! Err....uhmmm... Well, We started another 5 year plan!
Game to China...

 

[BkGreatWarnut]

Well, even if you did do that, it is overpowering for the period. I am not an expert on World War II, but I am quite sure that the majority of air losses were caused by opposing air craft and not as much sams/anti-aircraft. I just wanted to let Rocotech know for any future versions he might do as it is extremely disheartening to see that damn "shot" or "missile" or whatever being fired and knowing my plane is going to shot down almost every time. It scared me into not even using my Ju 87 Bs which are my strongest bombers.

 

[Rubberjello]

C'mon. You've got to be used to it by now. Playing against the AI, it seems to shoot down 80% of your planes, but *YOUR* Flak only shoots down 10% of the AI bombing runs.
I agree though. (Not just in this scenario...in the vanilla game also). Bombers lose much of their effectiveness because of flak. I've stopped building them altogether any many of my epic games because of this AA disparity problem. This kind of sucks, because you lose the "combined operations" flavor of the game, as a purely ground-based force is not really at a disadvantage against a more diversely equipped foe.

BTW...does anyone know for sure if an opposing human player gets this "AI flak bonus" (for lack of a better term) in PBEM games?

 

[Dazz_G]

Don't know for certain, but from what I have seen in PBEMs so far, I would say yes we get the 'bonus'.

 

[Rocoteh]

Well, even if you did do that, it is overpowering for the period. I am not an expert on World War II, but I am quite sure that the majority of air losses were caused by opposing air craft and not as much sams/anti-aircraft. I just wanted to let Rocotech know for any future versions he might do as it is extremely disheartening to see that damn "shot" or "missile" or whatever being fired and knowing my plane is going to shot down almost every time. It scared me into not even using my Ju 87 Bs which are my strongest bombers.

Yes you are right. AA-batterys were never great killers compared
to air-units. I have implemented a change in version 1.4 where AA-battery
is reduced from 8 to 4.

Rocoteh

 

[Dazz_G]

Played and sent.

Nothing to report.

 

[emzie]

Sorry!! My girlfriend's sister got sick and we had to goto montreal. I'm downloading the scenario right now. It'll be played tonight. Sorriez about the wait

 

[BkGreatWarnut]

No prob...civ isn't the most important thing in my life. My Girlfriend, Family and Friends are slight ahead of it (and that isn't even combining them all!).

 

[emzie]

GPS

Little to report. Bombed Wuhan, killed two Chinese infantry and a citizen. Also cut off access

 

[Dazz_G]

Played and sent.

German stack west of Tripoli shelled by Royal Naval Battleships and Heavy Cruisers ... most units damaged including Army reduced to 4 HP.

Uboat North of Berbera sunk by Heavy Cruiser.

Stack NorthEast of Paris bombed by RAF ... 1 Aircraft lost to Interceptors and 1 to Flak.

Stack of 25 Subs and 1 Destroyer East of Sicily attacked by Destroyers ... 10 Subs sunk for loss of 5 Destroyers.

Caroline Islands bombed by RAF.

Bilbao captured for loss of 3 Infantry.
La Coruna captured for no loss.

Neutrals ... 3 CL, 11 Subs, 4 DD and 1 Coastal Ship sunk at various locations for loss of 3 DD.

 

[perkins-mah]

French turn played and sent, eric could you please let me know if it didnt get there.

Usual paris bombing from artillery (two units damaged including a panzer)
Lost two destroyers attacking the submarine stack east of malta (no kills)

Tripoli
Attacked the stack with 3 Cavelry
Bombed from two Bomers and a cruiser

Army and two italian infantry units killed, (i cavelry lost)

Several neutral submarines were sunk in the med

Civilians Killed form bombing @ hanain

 

[eric_A]

Ignore my earlier comment, that was something else that came in.

Perkins I have 2 email addresses if we have troule with one, we can try
the other, I will email you.

 

[perkins-mah]

i only sent one copy and it wasent zipped, this may be a delayd copy of last turn?

 

[eric_A]

I was wrong see post #196.

 

[eric_A]

Now I have it, will play it later this afternoon.

 

[Dazz_G]

Tripoli
Army and two italian infantry units killed, (i cavelry lost)

Now that is what I call teamwork