lutzj
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what if your workers could build canals?
Canals
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You missed an option for the poll: bad idea, would use it.
I don't like the idea, because I don't see it as necessary for realism or gameplay. It would make things easier, in the same way that engineers terraforming mountain into grassland made Civ2 easier, but it isn't vital.
At the moment I think that cities that act as canals do the job well enough. Cities cost upkeep and maybe require you to make room for them, which reflects how costly it is to build and maintain a canal large enough to cross the amount of land represented by one tile.
However, if the idea was implemented of course I'd use it. I can imagine canals being helpful.
I don't like the idea, because I don't see it as necessary for realism or gameplay. It would make things easier, in the same way that engineers terraforming mountain into grassland made Civ2 easier, but it isn't vital.
At the moment I think that cities that act as canals do the job well enough. Cities cost upkeep and maybe require you to make room for them, which reflects how costly it is to build and maintain a canal large enough to cross the amount of land represented by one tile.
However, if the idea was implemented of course I'd use it. I can imagine canals being helpful.
Lordclane
Chieftain
I like both canals and tunnels.
Thasis
Warlord
This could be intressting. I dunno if I'd use it as I'd have to actualy try it out first. Maybe somebody will do a mod 
lutzj
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why use it if its a bad idea?Brighteye said:
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Brighteye said:
yep yep
Sahkuhnder
Delusions of grandeur
I like the idea for both canals and bridges. Make the lengths (1-3 tiles) available with different tech advances and make the longer lengths much more expensive/time consuming to build.
Another possible idea would be to charge a fee to use the canal or bridge.
Another possible idea would be to charge a fee to use the canal or bridge.
JustAnotherUser
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Because it would make winning easier.lutzj said:
It like a unit with 100 strength with no prerequisites and cost of 10 hammers. It is a bad idea, because it would make all the other unit obsolete but if it was in the game be sure I'd use it.
Sahkuhnder
Delusions of grandeur
JustAnotherUser said:
If the game ever gets too easy just bump up the difficulty level you play on.
As this could be built by both the AI and the human player I don't see it unbalancing the gameplay in any way.
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It would not unbalance the gameplay, it would totally destroy it.sahkuhnder said:
Now you have the whole of Civilization 4 played using a single military ground unit, with a good half of the tech tree made useless, and all the difference of combat made redundant. Whoo-hoo!! That's fun... NOT!!!
Oh, wait, maybe you meant for the canals.
Well, then I don't see it really necessary, building a city in choke point cover that well enough for me, a bridge improvement to cover 1-2 squares wide gaps of water on the other hand...
salty mud
Deity
JustAnotherUser said:
He he...However, I like the idea of tunnels. Perhaps a tunnel function would be good, say once we discover construction or something we can build tunnels, which let us move under hills for 1 move. (Of course, only if a tunnel is built.)
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
Brighteye hit's it spot on. There's no need for canals when a city works just as fine. I always take into consideration when positioning a city if there's a chance it can work as a canal later on.
Sahkuhnder
Delusions of grandeur
Kan' Sharuminar said:
Using a city as a canal allows only a one tile transit, and often forces you to build your city in a less desirable location then you normally would have.
You could still build a 'canal city' just as before, but by adding canals as a tile improvement it would give additional options and expand the number of strategic choices available to you.
lutzj
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what if you could allow some countries to pass through for free, charge others a 1g tariff, and bar some from going at all
lutzj
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salty mud said:
However, I like the idea of tunnels. Perhaps a tunnel function would be good, say once we discover construction or something we can build tunnels, which let us move under hills for 1 move. (Of course, only if a tunnel is built.)
we have roads for that
tunnles could be used like canals on land, except they let land units travel short stretches of sea
Chamaedrys
Emperor
I think it would be difficult for the AI to handle these things. Maybe the AI would build a canal from one side of the pangaea to the other
Ok, considering it hasn't been specified, I presume canal would be the tile equivalent of road/railroad, so you can have one or the other? I don't understand what canals would allow you to do... move naval units across land or what? Doesn't make sense. Unless naval units weren't allowed to attack from a land tile, but could only use it as a means of transporting to the other side of a large island, without having to go all the way round or something?
Sahkuhnder
Delusions of grandeur
Chamaedrys said:I think it would be difficult for the AI to handle these things. Maybe the AI would build a canal from one side of the pangaea to the other
It would be easy to avoid such an exploit by using exponentially increasing cost per distance.
Have different techs unlock specific length canals and bridges/underwater tunnels. A one-tile canal could come in ancient times, etc.
Have a one tile length be very expensive, and each additional tile length be maybe 3x more expensive/time consuming to build than the tile before. Short canals would be feasible, but long canals would be out of the question.
Ball Lightning
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I think tunnels should be after construction, mabye chemisty so you can blast the rocks away to build a tunnel?salty mud said:
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