Caveman 2 Cosmos (ideas/discussions thread)
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Oooh, thanks!
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Sounds like Unlimited XP really needs a cap. And animal retreat needs toned down. Especially on the slower game speeds.
The modders say the Mod is being balanced for Snail speed. But all my playing indicates it has more balance on Normal thru Marathon (with Epic the best) speed than Snail and slower.
JosEPh
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
The problem is that Dynamic XP is giving exp for things it should not. Unless a unit is killed combat units (except siege) should not get exp from a combat.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Well... it's an exploit. But how much does it really serve to exploit? And sounds pretty easily solved by the intended improvements in animal AI (so that they wouldn't all be bloodthirsty like this.)
Also... it seems odd that the unit who's opponent has withdrawn from is getting xp. I'll have to look but I THINK this may be an issue with Dynamic XP. Only the withdrawing unit should gain xp and it should also be nowhere near a full point. Either that or it's that the point is divided between the two based on the difficulty of the withdrawal. I dunno... I'll have to review the code again on that. It's not the easiest section to work with and get right all the time.
What's the breakdown of xp awards by battle looking like in these cases charles?
charlesb96
King
Right now, if the attacker withdraws, the defender gets xp, about 0.2 to 0.35. If the defender withdraws, still only the defender gets xp. The attacker only gets xp for a kill. I think we may have to go back to the cap of xp from animals again and make the unlimited xp just for barbarians. I get between 1 and 2 xp every turn because my unit is getting attacked by 5 or 6 animals at once, everyone surviving, the attackers constantly withdrawing. Now if animal attackers would be able to get xp just for surviving, and promotions, I am NOT going to leave my unit out there long, to eventually face an animal with +400% against me. That would stop that exploit.
In Rhys, there are 3 different "barbarians". There is barbarians, native and independent. The independent is represented here by the minor Civs, but perhaps a Native minor civ that can never grow into a regular civ?
In Rhys, there are 3 different "barbarians". There is barbarians, native and independent. The independent is represented here by the minor Civs, but perhaps a Native minor civ that can never grow into a regular civ?
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
I can never figure out how the minor civ stuff works??
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
That's the problem... the attacker is the unit that should be getting the xp. I'll look into that.
charlesb96
King
My spiked club man has 33.65 xp. He is attacked by a duck, a cobra, a viper, and an oxpecker. Everyone survives, the attackers all withdrawing. Next turn my unit has 35.21, a gain 1.56 for surviving those 4 attacks, or an average of 0.39 per attack. the next turn he has 36.35, a gain of 1.12 but killed the cobra. Repeat this for 400 to 600 turns, see what kind of OP unit you get.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Well right... that's why it was supposed to be the attacker... I must've just incorrectly directed the xp towards the defender when an attacker withdraws.
charlesb96
King
The defender should get xp for surviving, but the attacker should also. A unit should get xp for successfully doing an archer bombard or a siege unit bombard as well. And for surviving a bombard.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
I knew i forgot something, DUH 
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
You've already, in play, shown a convincing reason not to have the defender gain any xp when a unit withdraws from it.
Archer bombard should be disabled.
XP has been assigned to Ranged Assault but I'm not sure if it has been for City Bombard.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
There is a lot I hate about the original Great Diplomat mod.
Nimek
Emperor
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Ok
I noticed also a new zRoutes modcomp in version two. It allows to restrict unit movement's to particularly route types only. We can use it for railroad artillery. What tho you think about that?
Zroutes 2 is in last thread page in modcomps section.
I noticed also a new zRoutes modcomp in version two. It allows to restrict unit movement's to particularly route types only. We can use it for railroad artillery. What tho you think about that?
Zroutes 2 is in last thread page in modcomps section.
Yudishtira
Spiritual/Creative
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
Also currently balloons get a movement bonus from roads and they really shouldn't.
So do birds and helicopters. Not sure there is anything we can do about it. If we make them air units they will act like fighters which is not right either.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
The ability is called bFlatMovement to ignore roads and terrain modifiers. The reason it was removed as a stock ability of bFliesToMove was because when you group units with those units that have a bFlatMovement it makes it difficult for the group to determine a reasonable path.
But you're right... it SHOULD be a part of bFliesToMove imo and if that makes it tough to group units with the ability with those without and have a reasonable path it's probably easily worked around by players... it's the AI I'm concerned with. If I could understand pathing a bit better it MIGHT be possible to get the group to consider pathing as if it was considering it for the units in the group that DON'T have bFlatMovement but I'm not up to that at the moment.
But you're right... it SHOULD be a part of bFliesToMove imo and if that makes it tough to group units with the ability with those without and have a reasonable path it's probably easily worked around by players... it's the AI I'm concerned with. If I could understand pathing a bit better it MIGHT be possible to get the group to consider pathing as if it was considering it for the units in the group that DON'T have bFlatMovement but I'm not up to that at the moment.
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