Caveman 2 Cosmos

[rightfuture]

That's fine.
I was just making a few suggestions to tie things together and make it easier for new users to see it. It already works for most people.
You are doing a great job of improving things, I hope you see that I was just trying to add to the conversation.

I like the title, C2C FAQs - New Players read this.

 

[perilousride]

Is there any summary of the changes in v25?

EDIT: How come the religious stuff is at the expense of science? In history that has never happened. Athiesm shouldn't boost science. In reality it would only boost crime and unhappiness. Look at America since it has become more Athiest and less religious. Overall, people are not anywhere near as happy as they were 20 years ago, crime is up, and the economy is horrible.
Religion gives hope to the hopeless, and morale principal. This is fact. So how would Athiesm give a happiness bonus?

I am not saying this out of bias, just it has never happened. Sure scientists love evolution and the absence of religion, but it hasn't helped them make progress. The Theory of Evolution gives happiness to all cities?
Most modern progress has been made in electronics, but nothing real groundbreaking. If you can prove me wrong, just name an athiest society that has progressed in happiness or science. Up until 1960, America was predominantly religious. Probably all the way into the 90s. So American progress from the 90s to now could be looked at as Athiest. You could say Russian progress or Hitler's Germany were Athiest, but there should be no happiness bonuses, and the bonuses to science came from other means.
Culture bonuses shouldn't be given either. Classical Greece and America and Europe in the 80s maybe had great amounts of culture, but neither came from Athiesm, it was from creativity (they say the Greeks invented play and they did this on a large scale). Culture from the 90s till now? I don't see any culture boosts, unless you count more people getting tatoos as culture. The internet has actually lowered culture. People stay inside more than ever. People used to go out more, and do more stuff before internet. I can see the science boost possibility, although in reality the results haven't been extra-ordinary.
Sorry, I am just being real. Not sure what all gives what bonuses, I would have to check again, but the Internet, Theory of Evolution, and Athiesm haven't helped any civilization flourish historically. You used to be able to leave your front door unlocked during a time in America, kids could play outside at night, and families used to go out and do stuff together (like the drive-in theater or roller skating). Nowadays?

 

[Hydromancerx]

EDIT: How come the religious stuff is at the expense of science? In history that has never happened. Athiesm shouldn't boost science. In reality it would only boost crime and unhappiness. Look at America since it has become more Athiest and less religious. Overall, people are not anywhere near as happy as they were 20 years ago, crime is up, and the economy is horrible.
Religion gives hope to the hopeless, and morale principal. This is fact. So how would Athiesm give a happiness bonus?

I don't want to get into a religion vs atheist debate but I don't think that Atheism has anything to do with people being happy or sad or even crime. People will be happy or sad despite their beliefs. One can do crimes in the name of god just as much as they could without believing in one. Being atheist doesn't mean you don't have morals o are even more selfish than someone of faith.

EDIT: If anything I think it comes down to family values. An atheist family can be just as loving and nurturing as a religious family. How one is raised I think speaks more on how one will grow up than whether or not they believe in a god or not. In short good parenting has noting to do with religion (or lack of one).

 

[jmmendesp]

Is there any summary of the changes in v25?

Well, I made this, but it isn't exactly a summary

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KRnAqsUIwwp1khWuQupYlIL9F_JpTnzQUHEUPKgXnog/edit

 

[perilousride]

I wasn't saying Athiest people can or can't do anything the same as a religious person. I was just saying that the bonuses don't match up with history. The hope comment is true, religion does add hope to the hopeless, that is just a fact. If you have nothing, are homeless, promise of the afterlife still gives hope. So that is why I was saying, you remove that, then those people have evolution to replace that? I just don't see where Athiesm is relative to increasing happiness. Without hope, people do turn to crime. Religious morales do keep people from crime, hence all of the gang-members who found religion and stopped being criminals. No criminal I have ever heard of has ever turned from crime to become an Athiest or to study evolution. So I am just saying the bonuses are very ahistorical.
I am just going with history and reality. I don't want to get into a religion vs athiest debate either. A lot of religion pretty much stems from the Roman view of Christ anyway, which they made more to their liking (the same as they did with the Greek religions). So everything is a slave to history, and what happened way back in Ancient times still effects now in a whole lot of ways. So I am just going with history, and use that as the vehicle of thought.
Thanks to the last poster. I will check it out.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@perilousride

I don't think that "hope" is religious specific. One can be religious and be hopeless. Likewise an atheist can be full of hope. Not in a god but in humanity or hope that the scientific method will eventually explain things we currently don't know. Likewise one can believe in themselves.

I also think that religion can blind one from consequences such as trying to justify hating a particular group because its against your religious beliefs. Likewise ones religious dogma can make some crazy crimes that anothers may not think is a crime. Such as eating things that are not Kosher for people of Jewish faith or eating Cow for people of Hindu faith.

There are also non-religious laws that govern a society. For instance murder, theft, arson, battery, etc are all laws that will get you arrested no matter what your faith is. Thus even an atheist would agree that killing another person is not a good idea, since you would not want to be killed yourself.

Note that just because one is atheist don't mean they are totally opposite of religious values either. They can do good things like help the poor or do ignorant things like being homophobic too. People are people, both today and in the past.

Religious morales do keep people from crime, hence all of the gang-members who found religion and stopped being criminals. No criminal I have ever heard of has ever turned from crime to become an Athiest or to study evolution. So I am just saying the bonuses are very ahistorical

I also don't know many atheist "spreading the word" of atheism in prisons either.

 

[ciadude2]

Is there any summary of the changes in v25?

EDIT: How come the religious stuff is at the expense of science? In history that has never happened. Athiesm shouldn't boost science. In reality it would only boost crime and unhappiness. Look at America since it has become more Athiest and less religious. Overall, people are not anywhere near as happy as they were 20 years ago, crime is up, and the economy is horrible.
Religion gives hope to the hopeless, and morale principal. This is fact. So how would Athiesm give a happiness bonus?

I am not saying this out of bias, just it has never happened. Sure scientists love evolution and the absence of religion, but it hasn't helped them make progress. The Theory of Evolution gives happiness to all cities?
Most modern progress has been made in electronics, but nothing real groundbreaking. If you can prove me wrong, just name an athiest society that has progressed in happiness or science. Up until 1960, America was predominantly religious. Probably all the way into the 90s. So American progress from the 90s to now could be looked at as Athiest. You could say Russian progress or Hitler's Germany were Athiest, but there should be no happiness bonuses, and the bonuses to science came from other means.
Culture bonuses shouldn't be given either. Classical Greece and America and Europe in the 80s maybe had great amounts of culture, but neither came from Athiesm, it was from creativity (they say the Greeks invented play and they did this on a large scale). Culture from the 90s till now? I don't see any culture boosts, unless you count more people getting tatoos as culture. The internet has actually lowered culture. People stay inside more than ever. People used to go out more, and do more stuff before internet. I can see the science boost possibility, although in reality the results haven't been extra-ordinary.
Sorry, I am just being real. Not sure what all gives what bonuses, I would have to check again, but the Internet, Theory of Evolution, and Athiesm haven't helped any civilization flourish historically. You used to be able to leave your front door unlocked during a time in America, kids could play outside at night, and families used to go out and do stuff together (like the drive-in theater or roller skating). Nowadays?

Sweden, Norway, and Finland are some of the most atheist countries in the world. Also, quite economically well off, and often rated as having the happiest populations in general.

As for atheism not helping science, true atheism doesn't help it, but it doesn't harm it in the way fundamentalism does.

 

[SteelSterling]

Hi folks,

This is my first post on this forum. I've been playing RoM for quite some time and, since recently C2C. These mods are really great. I still think it is a better play than Civ 5. Hope I'm not hurting anyone's feelings there. I don't see myself switching over; even though I did purchase Civ 5... Go figure.

Anyway, I was playing a v24 game and just updated to v25. I did the recalc of my save game and all of the sudden the flags on my units are white and no longer the American flag. The only other civ I've discovered to date is the Chinese and their flags are just fine. Anyone else having this issue? And, more importantly, how might I go about fixing this (small) issue.

Have the same issue with the American flag, but started a brand new game.

 

[Taxman66]

Sorry for the completely newb question(s), but I couldn't find the info on the FAQ or the post #8 info.

1. I eventually stumbled into the direct download of c2c, thus avoiding the download manager. Though I think they're slowing down the download on purpose. Anyway, to be honest, I'm not 100% sure how I found the correct link/button. A set of blantent instructions to download this mod without pulling the download manager sure would be nice.

2. I saw somewhere (can't find it now) a set of instructions on what to do when playing a saved game across a new version. Could that be put on the FAQ? (or alternately show me where it is so I can facepalm). I'm sure I'll need it at some point in the future.

3. I don't have CivIV Complete, but I was following the BUG mod forum a little bit. There seemed to be talk about altering the Bug mod get updated so that the register fix is no longer needed for CivIV complete. Did that happen or was I misreading it? I ask because the post with the instructions no longer includes the screen shot of what exactly needs to be done (just ye old red x in a box, indicating the picture is no longer available).

4. I got an oldie but a goodie computer to run c2c on. A Pentium 4, 2.8Ghz, with a Geforce 7600GT graphics card(256 memory). I've also done the 3MB boot.ini trick. Should I be setting the graphics to High or Medium? Would turning the Anti-Aliasing off help?

This is a comment, not a question:
Learned the hard way that the included shortcut needed to be modified for the target directory (remove the x86 on a XP machine) and the module name (now includes v25).

 

[SteelSterling]

Not a mod for this but I will try to help;

1) If you look in the upper left corner there should be the link there. It's much smaller than the giant balloon "DOWNLOAD" buttons that are all over that horrid site. It shows the file name right beneath it. It is a VERY slow site. I normally download at around 2mb a second, but on this site I averaged around 200kb.

2) When you start playing a game from v24, a pop up will show asking if you want to recalculate, just say yes.

3) Don't have Civ IV complete so can't help here, sorry.

4) I don't think AA does much unless it's set very high so I wouldn't be concerned with it. I don't have it on and it looks great. Start with medium and see how it runs. If it's real smooth, increase different things until you're happy with it.

 

[perilousride]

Sweden, Norway, and Finland are some of the most atheist countries in the world. Also, quite economically well off, and often rated as having the happiest populations in general.

As for atheism not helping science, true atheism doesn't help it, but it doesn't harm it in the way fundamentalism does.

The religion of the dark ages was a form of communism. It was the same as Stalin, except probably even worse. You get out of line, someone even thinks that you are, and you could be tortured and executed. It was an attempt at human control on a large scale.

That extreme of religion is the Roman way magnified over time. They thought you really have to work for something to obtain it, and everything has to be strict. The modern Christianity is a Romanized religion.

Religion without communism does not harm science whatsoever. They say like 80 percent of adult Americans are Christian (90 percent in 1990), and American technology speaks for itself. I am sure it is now a lot less as far as young people are concerned. These young people are not the ones who built the technology of the US during the 1900s.

Those countries you mentioned as being happy have an innocent bliss. America is a much more stressful society, and a lot of Russians are always pondering the purpose of life. When you get to looking for answers to life, the purpose, the meaning of this and that, you tend to look at everything as what's the point.


Kind of like people who might play this game. Someone in those countries you mentioned would probably just be playing them for fun and not caring whether they win or lose. Most people in America might play it to win, probably think what's the point, play the game for distraction, and when they win still have an empty feeling that nothing has been accomplished.

I don't think religion had to do with the state of mind, just the pattern of society in general.

If anything boosted research in history, it was war.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Any changes you want to discuss about the implementation of religions, their units and buildings belong in the C2C - Religions discussions and ideas thread. The short answer about religions and science is "because that is what vanilla Civ IV does".

 

[Taxman66]

Thank you.

The Complete question was directed to the developer. I hope to personally never have to use it, cause that would mean my disks were shot.

I don't have v24, was just wondering what I would need to do when later versions eventually come out.

Anyway Possible bugs I saw:Ran into the Americans (AI). I thought they were surrendering as their flags were white blanks.

The wanderers I built were glowing for quite some time. They did not have promotions or any other indication why they were doing that. Admitidly, I lost track by the time I quit if they were still doing that. I think I had only 1 left and he had a bunch of promotions, so he might've stopped at some point.

More newbie questions (I've only played vanillia Civ4 until today):1. What are the brown smudge and blue tear drop indicators with associated numbers, in the terrain information indicators? I tried looking through the pedia but didn't find anything.

2. When going through the options I remember changing one (a toggle?) regarding the naming of the save games. After it did so, I realized that the default way would probably be better as the save games go into BTS folder with all the other ones and I woudln't want to get them confused. Now I can't find the option setting.

Odd observations:I started the game without the CD (and no I don't use cracks or even make copies, just set up the Shortcut & dedicated C2C.ini file as I read about), and played for nearly 4 hours before it eventually yelled at me that there wasn't a disk in the drive.

So far no issues with playing with high graphic settings on my XP rig (Pentium 4, 3 GB w/boot.ini option, 2.8Ghz, 256MB video card). Still way, way early though.

Well beyond the initial load time shock and the even greater starting up turn 0 shock. Think I'll have to disable the screen saver/password lock before I start a new game. I nearly had a heart attack after walking away for a few minutes, seeing the screensaver, reentering the XP userid login password and the video froze on the password screen (game was still running and playing the parody music). However a few more minutes beyond that and everything came up the way it was supposed to. Didn't time the pre-turn 0 but wouldn't be surprised if it was nearly 10 minutes.

 

[Hydromancerx]

More newbie questions (I've only played vanillia Civ4 until today):1. What are the brown smudge and blue tear drop indicators with associated numbers, in the terrain information indicators? I tried looking through the pedia but didn't find anything.

Brown Smudge = Air Pollution (Smog Cloud)
Blue Tear = Water Pollution (Water Droplet)
Yellow Circle = Disease (Biohazard Symbol)
White Circles = Crime (Hand Cuffs)

 

[Jeystone]

How do I set up a dedicated short cut to be able to load c2c without the hassle of loading civ 4 then c2c mod and can I make a shortcut to my saved game so it loads civ4/c2c??

Many thanks in advance to this nice person who answers me.

@Mods/admin. Why don't we have a thanks button???

 

[Hankc]

You can load the savefiles directly. Just double-click them and you're good to go. No idea how to make a c2c shortcut however.

 

[jmmendesp]

How do I set up a dedicated short cut to be able to load c2c without the hassle of loading civ 4 then c2c mod and can I make a shortcut to my saved game so it loads civ4/c2c??

Many thanks in advance to this nice person who answers me.

@Mods/admin. Why don't we have a thanks button???

The C2C folder that you download actually comes with a shortcut. It's called C2C. All you gotta do is go into its properties, then shortcut tab, and make it point to the BTS .exe, and then add mod=\Caveman 2 Cosmos at the end.

For me, the target is:

"A:\Games\Civ 4\Beyond the Sword\Civ4BeyondSword.exe" mod=\Caveman 2 Cosmos

in Start in I have "A:\Games\Civ 4\Beyond the Sword"

Note that the "" are actually necessary in both cases.

There's also 2 thematic icons in the C2C folder that you can assign to the shortcut, by hitting the "Chane Icon" button in the same shortcut tab

EDIT - I believe whatever you put following the mod=\ thing is the name of the c2c folder inside BTS\Mods. If the c2c folder is named Caveman2Cosmos (without spaces), then you put mod=\Caveman2Cosmos in the target.

Here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/h9oFC.png

 

[Jeystone]

Thanks Hank and Jim

 

[Justin Cray]

Just for the record the US government isn't religious, it's secular. The people may be relgious as they like, but they aren't hampered or hindered by a government that makes religous laws.

Implying that religion hinders science only means that the game tries to simulate religous laws that prevent research, or prevent people from becoming researchers. The US doesn neither.

 

[Koshling]

Just for the record the US government isn't religious, it's secular. The people may be relgious as they like, but they aren't hampered or hindered by a government that makes religous laws.

Implying that religion hinders science only means that the game tries to simulate religous laws that prevent research, or prevent people from becoming researchers. The US doesn neither.

True, but government has influence beyond law making. Consider the educational curriculum in some states that don't teach evolution for example. Certainly US Federal law is no hinmerance. State law probably isn't. State policy can be. I don't think anyone would claim that the US has a religious fundamentalist outlook (at least in the braod - obviously individuals may, but that is true anywhere), or that the US is (for the most part) a bad place to do science.

Edit - oh another good example is the LAW that was passed in NC (I think - might have been SC) that the only climate models that could LEGALLY be used by government agencies were those that had linear ocean level growth predictions.