MaximumPain
Warlord
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Nice I guess I thought you need to fight other nations to get the needed level. That the xp cap on barbs was one level too low. Learn something new every day
Charlemagne Emperor Cookbook!(EC)!! Let the games begin!!!
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Nice I guess I thought you need to fight other nations to get the needed level. That the xp cap on barbs was one level too low. Learn something new every day
Barb animals cap at 5xp. Other barbs cap at 10xp.
I am 1 turn from completion of HE in Prague. I got my unit from 2 barb cities down SW. I waited to take both cities (I razed both) with same Swordsman to get enough exp for HE.
Okay 5 votes in so far
Duelmaster 7
Gumbolt 7
Ambrose 4
MJG5591 4
Steve 250 4
Bobbyboy29 3
Overall this could still go anyway.
Still to vote: Ambrose, Steve250, Corn, Javid and myself (Gumbolt). If no further votes come in I would have to make a casting vote. I do think whichever save we play the next round should be a breeze.
Duelmaster 7
Gumbolt 7
Ambrose 4
MJG5591 4
Steve 250 4
Bobbyboy29 3
Overall this could still go anyway.
Still to vote: Ambrose, Steve250, Corn, Javid and myself (Gumbolt). If no further votes come in I would have to make a casting vote. I do think whichever save we play the next round should be a breeze.
CornPlanter
Emperor
I just cannot decide for whom I'd like to vote. All saves are good enough to win, and I am not competent enough to judge subtle details So I'm fine with whatever save we are going to continue this ownage.
So I'm fine with whatever save we are going to continue this ownage.Voting will close tomorrow at 6pm. There is a minor discrepency on one vote as three people cant share a point.
I really dont want to have to make the casting vote on this as it would force me to vote a certain way to ensure the round has a winner. 3 other votes yet to be made. I have assumed corn has withdrawn himself from voting. He is right which ever save is picked we will have a strong round ahead.
I really dont want to have to make the casting vote on this as it would force me to vote a certain way to ensure the round has a winner. 3 other votes yet to be made. I have assumed corn has withdrawn himself from voting. He is right which ever save is picked we will have a strong round ahead.
It might swing the vote in someones favour.
Hadn't got round to look at the saves until last night.
Not actually voting for which one I want to play on this one but actually the best (mainly because I would have to pick the worst save to make it a challenge and that doesn't sound like a very nice thing to do). So with no further ado:
1st - 3pts: Gumbolt
Far and away the best save for me. Surprised there is contention actually. While there could be another city or two they'd actually slow down where I'd go from here. Lib grab is so certain that a Cuirrasser charge against SB could probably be done while his main defence is still archers
The AIs going at each other helps and will slow down their tech even more (not sure why the AIs didn't war in my save, the only one was a late declaration of war between Rag and Justinian right at the end of the round and nothing actually happened there).
2nd - 2pts: MJG5591
Tough call here, lots of good saves. In the end I had to go for MJG, again because of tech advantage and AI situation. Would stop the compass research immediately though and switch over to either a cuirassers or rifles beeline using Lib for a big jump. Not sure what I thinking when I posted my save up, Astronomy seems far from the best beeline on a pangaea when we are so far ahead. This was more a gut call than actually finding any specific or measurable advantage over Dualmasters save though.
3rd - 1pt: Dualmaster
Good save, easy walk to endgame. Being in AP religion is handy. Shame that there can't be a joint 2nd place (maybe 1.5pts each?) or it would have saved me a lot of pondering which didn't really get me to a decent conclusion.
All the saves submitted seem good enough to go on with and I can't see one that doesn't look like it will be a comfortable win.
In other news; I decided to start up an Immortal game Yesterday and it looks like even while it is still the BCs I'm probably going to walk it (early rush on Sitting Bull no less, love War Chariots). Should I switch to shadowing? I'm confident I can win on Emperor most of the time (if I took out barbs and events I'd probably say all the time, as they tend to drive me to distraction in the early game). Funny that before I tried the cookbooks I was playing on Prince, they've been absolutely brilliant, thanks Gumbolt, Soirana (sp?) and Kossin for arranging them.
Not actually voting for which one I want to play on this one but actually the best (mainly because I would have to pick the worst save to make it a challenge and that doesn't sound like a very nice thing to do). So with no further ado:
1st - 3pts: Gumbolt
Far and away the best save for me. Surprised there is contention actually. While there could be another city or two they'd actually slow down where I'd go from here. Lib grab is so certain that a Cuirrasser charge against SB could probably be done while his main defence is still archers
The AIs going at each other helps and will slow down their tech even more (not sure why the AIs didn't war in my save, the only one was a late declaration of war between Rag and Justinian right at the end of the round and nothing actually happened there).2nd - 2pts: MJG5591
Tough call here, lots of good saves. In the end I had to go for MJG, again because of tech advantage and AI situation. Would stop the compass research immediately though and switch over to either a cuirassers or rifles beeline using Lib for a big jump. Not sure what I thinking when I posted my save up, Astronomy seems far from the best beeline on a pangaea when we are so far ahead. This was more a gut call than actually finding any specific or measurable advantage over Dualmasters save though.
3rd - 1pt: Dualmaster
Good save, easy walk to endgame. Being in AP religion is handy. Shame that there can't be a joint 2nd place (maybe 1.5pts each?) or it would have saved me a lot of pondering which didn't really get me to a decent conclusion.
All the saves submitted seem good enough to go on with and I can't see one that doesn't look like it will be a comfortable win.
In other news; I decided to start up an Immortal game Yesterday and it looks like even while it is still the BCs I'm probably going to walk it (early rush on Sitting Bull no less, love War Chariots). Should I switch to shadowing? I'm confident I can win on Emperor most of the time (if I took out barbs and events I'd probably say all the time, as they tend to drive me to distraction in the early game). Funny that before I tried the cookbooks I was playing on Prince, they've been absolutely brilliant, thanks Gumbolt, Soirana (sp?) and Kossin for arranging them.
Wow you have come far. I think like any game when you understand the basics and learn some of the tricks that other players use like making best use of wonders and national wonders, beelining certain tech and also understanding the Ai and how barbs work you soon move up. Took me a while to work out globe theatre and whipping is great for troop generation. Same for how good workshops are for production. When to farm or cottage etc.
For me I actually liked it when Kossin played each round as the micro management and attention to play was excellent. Same for Soirana. Both excellent players.
I would carry on playing the rounds. Personally. I do think the start on this map gave us a huge advantage. I think if you come to the point where your saves are winning every round perhaps you should bow out. I do think we have a lot of Monarch /Emperor players some who could well win at immortal level but have simply not tried.
If you want to join a SGOTM team I am setting up in Jan your input and play would be welcome. Same goes for anyone not already in a team. It is a 3-4 month game done on a rota against other teams. Email me if interested.
Near the end of vote deadline. 3 votes left one of which is mine. Its certainly going to be tough for me to vote on this. As the round may end up drawn.
It would be nice to see a new player win a round this game but not if its me.
I will have a look at saves and make a decision based on facts.
It would be nice to see a new player win a round this game but not if its me.
I will have a look at saves and make a decision based on facts.
Okay notes on round.
MJG 162 BPT Glib, HE nearly built. Hard to fault much
Ambro 152BPT if you remove wealth. strong science overall. Why mainz and Strasbourg? Mainz is a wasteland city that does not even pay for itself. Strasbourg is small in size and will take time to reap its rewards. On plus side the city with the 2 fish will have 2 high commerce resources soon.
Corn 101BPT. over expansion really. A few poor cities laid in waste lands.
Bobby boy 148BPT. Vienna needed micro management for cottages.Glib and HE on way. Not sure about NE in luxemburg. Moi Statue already built. Science with micro management actually improves.
Gumbolt. 232BPT after bur civic change and less wealth. Mids built. Ai wars and a GE to use on a wonder or to settle.
Lymond 142 BPT but small cities. Glib and NE built.
Steve Glib NE built. Unsure about land grab near SB. Although makes rush on capital better.
Dual has 198 bpt but not sure about NE Glib location.
Most saves seemed to be well on course for liberalism.
Overall i am leaning towards Bobby boy, MJG and perhaps Ambro or Dual.
In terms of finishing this game I think my save might be quicker tech wise. Plus I would be interested to see who back fills literature and what everyone uses GE for. Its a tough call to make really.
MJG 162 BPT Glib, HE nearly built. Hard to fault much
Ambro 152BPT if you remove wealth. strong science overall. Why mainz and Strasbourg? Mainz is a wasteland city that does not even pay for itself. Strasbourg is small in size and will take time to reap its rewards. On plus side the city with the 2 fish will have 2 high commerce resources soon.
Corn 101BPT. over expansion really. A few poor cities laid in waste lands.
Bobby boy 148BPT. Vienna needed micro management for cottages.Glib and HE on way. Not sure about NE in luxemburg. Moi Statue already built. Science with micro management actually improves.
Gumbolt. 232BPT after bur civic change and less wealth. Mids built. Ai wars and a GE to use on a wonder or to settle.
Lymond 142 BPT but small cities. Glib and NE built.
Steve Glib NE built. Unsure about land grab near SB. Although makes rush on capital better.
Dual has 198 bpt but not sure about NE Glib location.
Most saves seemed to be well on course for liberalism.
Overall i am leaning towards Bobby boy, MJG and perhaps Ambro or Dual.
In terms of finishing this game I think my save might be quicker tech wise. Plus I would be interested to see who back fills literature and what everyone uses GE for. Its a tough call to make really.
This decision will probably go down as a cookbook first.
I will vote
Bobbyboy29 3pt.
MJG5591 2pts
Dual 1pt.
I will give Steve and Javid another hour to vote and I will declare a round winner around 8pm GMT. My voting has been influenced with fact we need to clear this game as most saves look to be well clear in terms of techs and likely to forge ahead of Ai.
Next round will feature a report back at 1100ad and a final report at end of the next round at 1500ad. It would be interesting if people loaded both the 1100ad and 1500ad save. Mention more of this later.
I will vote
Bobbyboy29 3pt.
MJG5591 2pts
Dual 1pt.
I will give Steve and Javid another hour to vote and I will declare a round winner around 8pm GMT. My voting has been influenced with fact we need to clear this game as most saves look to be well clear in terms of techs and likely to forge ahead of Ai.
Next round will feature a report back at 1100ad and a final report at end of the next round at 1500ad. It would be interesting if people loaded both the 1100ad and 1500ad save. Mention more of this later.
dualmaster
Emperor
Are we extending the next round to speed up the victory? Personally I'm in favor of doing this.
@Snowfan - round 1 is over a while ago so I won't spoiler
Nuremberg is poorly placed. Was the temptation to get copper too high?
Settling it SE was probably the best way given Aachen as it allows to improve and work the silver right there.
Going AH before Agriculture when you have grain-based resource in your BFC is a bad idea... you lose a lot of beakers this way. Ag>AH>Archery is a better opening here.
How much did you use the whip? You can probably use it some more... for example Vienna is working 2 unimproved tiles and could whip the monument right now and start on a granary.
Fishing is for? Writing before definitely.
Otherwise it looks fine but you might want to settle closer rather than farther when you know the land west is secured to avoid maintenance.
Nuremberg is poorly placed. Was the temptation to get copper too high?
Settling it SE was probably the best way given Aachen as it allows to improve and work the silver right there.
Going AH before Agriculture when you have grain-based resource in your BFC is a bad idea... you lose a lot of beakers this way. Ag>AH>Archery is a better opening here.
How much did you use the whip? You can probably use it some more... for example Vienna is working 2 unimproved tiles and could whip the monument right now and start on a granary.
Fishing is for? Writing before definitely.
Otherwise it looks fine but you might want to settle closer rather than farther when you know the land west is secured to avoid maintenance.
I put Nuremberg where it is to get access to the fur. I was thinking an extra happy resource would let my cap grow 1 more time. I saw the copper after I plopped the city .
Doh. The silver would have got my happy resource anyway.
I think I had both AH and AG before i had a worker pop (I went scout 1st).
I used the whip a bit only in the cap. I like my cities to grow a bit before using the whip in the suburbs. Thanks for the advice.
My next city was going to be South of Vienna by the 2 fish.
Okay looking to finish off this game in 2 rounds.
Gumbolt 10
Duelmaster 9
MJG5591 8
Bobbyboy29 6
Ambrose 4
Steve 250 4
Congratulations to me (Gumbolt) the winner of this round!!!
The next round will be played over the next 3-4 days with voting over Sunday-Tuesday. (this may change on time needs)
The round will finish Sunday time 1800hr GMT. (If you need extra time let me know)
The next round will be played from 400ad-1500ad. With a reporting point at 1100ad Lets get playing people.
Here is the winning save to be used for the next round:
Gumbolt save
Please ensure when you post save you rename save with your name.
Round 0: The starting save -
Round 1: 4000 BC - 1500 BC- Completed
Round 2: 1500 BC - 400 AD-
Round 3: 400 AD - 1100 AD- brief report
Round 4: 1100 AD - 1500 AD - Playing
Round 5: 1500 AD - 1700 AD - upcoming
Round 6: 1700 AD - 1820 AD - upcoming
Round 7: 1820 AD - 2050 AD - upcoming
Gumbolt 10
Duelmaster 9
MJG5591 8
Bobbyboy29 6
Ambrose 4
Steve 250 4
Congratulations to me (Gumbolt) the winner of this round!!!
The next round will be played over the next 3-4 days with voting over Sunday-Tuesday. (this may change on time needs)
The round will finish Sunday time 1800hr GMT. (If you need extra time let me know)
The next round will be played from 400ad-1500ad. With a reporting point at 1100ad Lets get playing people.
Here is the winning save to be used for the next round:
Gumbolt save
Please ensure when you post save you rename save with your name.
Round 0: The starting save -
Round 1: 4000 BC - 1500 BC- Completed
Round 2: 1500 BC - 400 AD-
Round 3: 400 AD - 1100 AD- brief report
Round 4: 1100 AD - 1500 AD - Playing
Round 5: 1500 AD - 1700 AD - upcoming
Round 6: 1700 AD - 1820 AD - upcoming
Round 7: 1820 AD - 2050 AD - upcoming
Yes we'll do a reporting round at 1100ad just to post progress. Then a final save of 1500ad.
I think this game should be over on the following week. Which will work out well as its crimbo!
AG gives a discount on AH. In fact, every tech that has a white line leading to it means you get a 20% discount from knowing the tech at the start of that line.
For example: AH gets discounts from both Ag and hunting.
Definitely whip more than just the capital. It's the best source of hammers besides specials and the best use of food this early with a small happy cap.
Your economy is tanking right now, settling closer cities focused on commerce (somewhere around the pig on that long river) would allow you to get Writing instead which allows a number of science goodies among other things.
