Chechenya - or how d'ya spell it

[Juize]

After 9/11 and USA / Russia relationship, we have first heard that Former freedom
fighters are Al Qaeda terrorists, and then nothing. Georgia (former Gruschia) has used
this to have a political weapon against Russia in their border fights -
US Soldiers have gone to the land very near of Chechnya (sp? :O).

That was in Christmas. Now, I've heard nothing about it. Anybody has any knowledge about this?
Comments? Opinions? Anything?

 

[Hitro]

It's going on like it did before, just with the difference that the West suddenly stopped pointing on it...

 

[Juize]

So how it was going before? How ling 'till someone finishes it?
IS everything going on like before, and OPINIONS, folks OPINIONS!
Is Russia's attack justified? And FACTS! I would very, very, very much like
to see some educating, intelligent discussion about this, because my knowledge about Chechenya is so limited.

 

[philippe]

yes but thats the thing.if its a war with a important country like america its very important but if its russia who is killing civilians nobody cares

 

[Juize]

yes but thats the thing.if its a war with a important country like america its very important but if its russia who is killing civilians nobody cares

...no. Before 9/11, everybody was ranting against russia, especially in -97.
Now, the whole subject seems to be a taboo in the press, and I can't hear anything
reliable from anywhere.

 

[Hamlet]

The Russians are justified in bringing order to Chechnya, although humanitarian abuses etc are unjustifiable.

I'm not sure how strong the indepedance feeling runs in the Chechen population, but if it is sufficently strong, there should be a referendum after order has been restored.

 

[Juize]

The Russians are justified in bringing order to Chechnya, although humanitarian abuses etc are unjustifiable.

I'm not sure how strong the indepedance feeling runs in the Chechen population, but if it is sufficently strong, there should be a referendum after order has been restored.

...so you are suggesting that Russia should stop the rebel by militiary ways, stop
atrocities, and maybe start a referendum after the war?

Any other opinions?

 

[Simon Darkshade]

They should continue the military solution until they have wiped out the Chechen rebels. In other words, what they are doing now. No referendums at the end either.
If they have a problem, send them to Siberia.

 

[Juize]

If they have a problem, send them to Siberia.

"Siperia opettaa"

Seriosly, no other opinions? If so, does somebody know some good place to
find out what the dell is happening out there?

 

[klazlo]

Originally posted by Juize
If so, does somebody know some good place to
find out what the dell is happening out there?

I don't know how biased this is, but here is a site:

http://www.amina.com/

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by klazlo
I don't know how biased this is, but here is a site:
http://www.amina.com/

Funny you posted that. I was about to post it as the Chechen propoganda page. Of course, since everyone here can see through propoganda so clearly and discern the absolute truth, they should have no difficulty with the page.

And the media stopped caring because it wasn't an interesting story, and it still isn't really. People weren't (and aren't) talking about it, its only newsworthy if you live near Chechnya.

 

[starlifter]

Georgia (former Gruschia) has used
this to have a political weapon against Russia in their border fights -
US Soldiers have gone to the land very near of Chechnya

I've been to Georgia, but not Chechnya, though I can't really comment on the details. Georgia is in a sad state of affairs, however. Even their capital city of Tblisi and their military are a in very bad condition.

The US is not going to get involved in the Chechnyan confilict at this time, as far as I know.

BTW, Anyone know where Stalin's mother is from? Tblisi. He built a big monument to her there, overlooking the city.

PS, The Red wine (is there some hidden pun in this term, "Red Wine"??) from Georgia is supposedly good according to our happy alcohol-guzzling hosts (the Georgian Gov't), but we didn't find it very good... they gave us bottles of it anyway (we smiled when we drank it, LOL....).

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Juize
...so you are suggesting that Russia should stop the rebel by militiary ways, stop
atrocities, and maybe start a referendum after the war?

Yes.

Is there something wrong with that?

 

[Juize]

I've been to Georgia, but not Chechnya, though I can't really comment on the details. Georgia is in a sad state of affairs, however. Even their capital city of Tblisi and their military are a in very bad condition.

The US is not going to get involved in the Chechnyan confilict at this time, as far as I know.

BTW, Anyone know where Stalin's mother is from? Tblisi. He built a big monument to her there, overlooking the city.

PS, The Red wine (is there some hidden pun in this term, "Red Wine"??) from Georgia is supposedly good according to our happy alcohol-guzzling hosts (the Georgian Gov't), but we didn't find it very good... they gave us bottles of it anyway (we smiled when we drank it, LOL....).

Thanks for the background.

US Soldiers have gone to the land very near of Chechnya

Hope nobody misunderstood this one; I ment that Georgia is very near of Chechnya.

Is there something wrong with that?

Nope, just trying to confirm general opinions.

 

[nixon]

It's a very dirty war: "I remember a Chechen female sniper. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it." - Russian soldier.

It's their Vietnam, and they should pull out now if they continue to wage war half-heartedly.

 

[starlifter]

It's a very dirty war: "I remember a Chechen female sniper. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it." - Russian soldier.

It seems they did not learn too much from the French (Viet.), Americans (Viet.) and themselves (Afgan.).....