China jumps in on US side vs. North Korea!

Neh, china wouldn't last in a war with America.
Russia's military is strong but i think one problem with Russia's army is well, would it last long with the countries current problems. U know, Russian nukes being sold off by scientists ect ect ect...And doesn't the russian military have a huge problem in paying its soldiers right now?
I wouldn't be suprised if Russia were to get into a major war right now that its military would collapse..
 
Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Why am I reading Israel in a thread about North Korea?

If I read ANOTHER off topic post, the poster is going to get a vacation.

Fayadi, leave your idiotic racism at the door, it isn't welcome here.

YOUR country is at fault in North korea, nonsense about Israel isn't the issue.
While we are on the case, why does China need it's enormuos military?
Something sinister, no doubt. :rolleyes:
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I am not being racist here.I didnt say all Jewish are evils.
I dont think it is off-topic too.Somebody was talking about Iran producing nukes,I just give the reasons why they do so and what I said is a fact.Lets not be offensive(because I am not insulting anyone).It wont do anybody good.If there is a flame war(even though you started it),you definitely has the advantage because you can unreasonably ban somebody,will that be nice?
I think you are quite wrong on mentioning China giving Nuclear weapons technology to N korea.We didnt,we only supplied some Nuclear Energy technology.Even then it is the USSR who helped supplied and build most of the nuclear reactors.

Why does China need to have a big military? Come on!Do you still remember that China is one of the Cold War major player.We face threat from USSR and USA.Now,we are also surrounded by large military power country such as Russia,India and Japan. Israel is a different case,their opponents are weak,saying Nuclear Weapons as a deterrence is quite wrong because it encourage the arab to have nukes too.I dont think Detterence is a good excuse.It encourages everybody to build one,it would be catastrophic if somebody was to start a war when everybody has nukes.Thanks to the believe of deterrence
 
Originally posted by archer_007


Exactly. They may have a numerical advantage, but their army wouldn't stand a chance against America or Russia.
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I think that's quite obvious,Chinese military spending in the Cold War and now has always been a fraction of them.But if those powers were to try to invade us,they wont be successful
The Chinese Government is using their money to fuel economic growth,they arent interested in heavy militarisation unless they are rich enough,so give China time for their military to achieve the same level(or more) with US military
 
Originally posted by nixon



My thoughts exactly. That's what I've been saying all the time; the Chinese are building up for their assault on Taiwan, and eventually the United States, because we'll stand in their way someday. Fayadi's ludicrous statement that "starvation doesn't exist in present day China" is so utterly absurd, that it's borderline delusion. 40 years ago, the Chinese government managed to kill 30 million people in two years, because of starvation, and because the government found it far more important spending all their available funds on nuclear weapons research than having food and supplies for the own fellow countrymen.

You're telling me they won't do that again, when the military build-up catches pace sooner or later? There is no doubt whatsoever about China's motives in the world, they want Asian superiority and will try to kick the United States completely out of Asia and then slowly start to digest the weakest links in the region. It's classic, they're so much a Soviet Union retro.
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40 years ago is in the past.Whats the difference between past and present?
You dont know how much Chinese government spend on infrastructure,dont you?How much they spend on military as a percentage of the GDP is less than most countries in the world.Some Hawks complained that we have an ambition to conquer Asia due to the heavy militarisation,thats unreasonable,Chinese military is quite backward,there is nothing wrong for us to modernise.I think it is quite natural to think like that,because those hawks do not like to see other country to become powerful.

Many people dont know what actually happened in the Greap Leap Forward(the incident that killed 20-25 million people).Mass starvation happened as a result of natural disaster and the loss of manpower in agriculture as the people spent more time in the heavy industry.So I think it is not completely Mao's fault ,I dont think there would be starvation if not for the natural disaster(or maybe the casualties wouldnt be that bad)
 
Originally posted by IceBlaZe


Yes, that evil reason is the Jewish will of conquering the world, served by the Mossad that also caused the 9/11.

It's all written well in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and those News about the evil Zionists planning evil missions all over the world, those News escape the Zionist Control news agencies, but they will never skip our true and only source!



It is a detterance measure and/or last resort aswell.
It has been said many times by all Israeli Representives that Israel will not be the first country to introduct nuclear weapons to the Middle east.
The presence of our nuclear arsenal is a good measure to prevent long wars, attrition wars, which are wars Israel can't fight for long.
Also, due to Israel's small population and dense population aswell, every severe hit can totally damage Israel and it's fighting capabilities, no matter how big our army is.
So a nuclear weapon assures that our neighboors and enemies "Think twice" before they decide to launch a surprise attack thinking it will paralyze Israel.
Moreover, any all out war Israel will fight will demand a general recruitment of almost all Israel's men workforce, so any war Israel fights must be short.
Any enemy of Israel knows now that if it pushes Israel to a condition it has nothing to lose and it's economy is crushing he will be annhilated by Israel's long-reaching nuclear capability, stored both on Submarines and Silos.



I don't think anyone blaming them for wanting it.
We are blaming those who give them the capability to actually produce "it".
Iran is an unstable theocracy, with severe hatred to the United States and Israel. And since we are on your side, a threat to the United States is a threat to Europe aswell.




If China is to blame for the Start of a nuclear war no one will like her anymore.
By the way, our "evilness" is well exlpoited by your regime, which preffers Israeli warfare systems when avaliable over any else.

In complete opposition to China, Israel never showed agressive intentions, nor did it ever distribute non-conventional weapons and capabilities to use them.
We have our own problems, ie the Palestinians and our Neighboors who seem not to like us, China on the other hand not once "hinted" they wish to control countries other than their own, and not once hinted they will usesagression and power against those who interfere their way.
Israel doesn't have a way, Israel only wants to live alone and quietly.
It was our noted mission since the 'Yishuv' ever started.
It is not our fault that we are attacked.
So if you think we are evil by wanting to defend ourselves, something is wrong with your perception and might hint prejudice.



Just don't cry over that, living in your civil rights adoring country and all.
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Relax I will never believe the conspiracy theory of Jewish conquering the world,why?They dont have what it took to do that.The theory of Japanese or American conquering the world sounds more sensible.

China have a doctrine of "No First Use" policy of nukes.Meaning that they will never launch nuclear missiles first unless she was nuked by other country."Israel never showed any agressive intentions" yeah yeah,when UN asked them to pull out of Palestine ,they never listened.This means that Israel does not abide by international law.You mentioned about China wanting to control other country.Where do you get the source from?Chinese government always "hinted" that all countries should work towards world peace and everybody should follow international rules.I think China will be a more responsible power than US in the future because she is not bias towards certain country.Such as Indian-Pakistan tension,although Pakistan is our ally we dont give bias support to Pakistan like US giving bias support to Israel on their conflict with the arabs.

Israel doesnt need nukes to defend themselves,Arab is actually "Nuclear-Free" before Israel build nukes.If you were in the arabs shoes,you wouldnt want somebody that has attacked you for no reason before(such as in the case of Egypt) to have nukes,you will think that having nukes as a deterrence is necessary too.By building nukes,you will encourage others to build it too.
Actually,if US didnt build atomic bomb ,I think USSR doesnt have the urgent to do so(so as in the case of China,Britain and France).It is the fault of somebody who started to build them first that everybody start to have nukes.The consequences will be catastrophic if a war was to start
 
Fayadi's brainwashed, or perhaps merely subjected to nothing but propaganda instead of news. You have to remember that the PRC doesn't have to worry about pesky things like freedom of speech or press. The average Joe Chin on the street in Beijing hears what his gov't wants him to hear, and precious little else. I'm sure the local Party apparatus has means at its disposal to 'encourage' any Joe Chin so lucky as to hear an opposing viewpoint to ignore it, for his or his family's own safety, if you catch my meaning. <big ole 'sneaky' wink> ;)

(One wonders most strongly as to whether Fayadi, obviously highly placed enough in the Party architecture to merit an Internet connection, is or is not in fact a Chinese propaganda officer, probably a major or colonel?)

Communist revisionist history is a historical footnote, and a well-bibliographed one at that. Just look at the USSR's ever-shifting history textbooks. Is it any wonder that the Great Leap Backward still holds a warm and fuzzy place in Chinese hearts?

All of this is just a long-winded reminder not to take Fayadi's open racism and rose-tinted view of Chinese history to heart. He can't help but be a product of his country's (re-)education policy. <pats Fayadi on the head> He's being a good little running dog lackey, just like he was trained.

Remember that when things go wrong in a communist society (and they always do) someone has to be handy to blame for it. Everyone has always hated the 'dirty Jews' anyways, so why not blame them? (Mind you, I don't hate Jews, my grandma would never forgive me (I'm 1/8th Jewish).) It actually makes a lot of sense, in the Sino-typically brutishly pragmatic way. Not only do they have a handy scapegoat, they also get a toe in the door with the rest of the Jew-hating majority. It's a win-win, really. <smiles brightly>

Napoleon Bonaparte actually used the phrase 'rock the world'?
 
Firstly, Fayadi does not dwell in China, but rather somewhere else, whilst being of Chinese ethnicity. Which does spoil the point of FL2's post a little, but not fully.

Secondly, Napoleon obviously got the phrase from Bill and Ted.

Now, returning to the general topic of North Korea, rather than the tangent of Fayadi, the North Koreans are making noises about ending their self imposed moratorium on missile tests. It is probably just more posturing, but if they pop one over Japan again, the reaction will be a bit more heavy than Madeline Albright saying "Bad boys! Naughty!" :ack: :D
 
No, it will 'move the world'.
 
Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
Fayadi's brainwashed, or perhaps merely subjected to nothing but propaganda instead of news. You have to remember that the PRC doesn't have to worry about pesky things like freedom of speech or press. The average Joe Chin on the street in Beijing hears what his gov't wants him to hear, and precious little else. I'm sure the local Party apparatus has means at its disposal to 'encourage' any Joe Chin so lucky as to hear an opposing viewpoint to ignore it, for his or his family's own safety, if you catch my meaning. <big ole 'sneaky' wink> ;)

(One wonders most strongly as to whether Fayadi, obviously highly placed enough in the Party architecture to merit an Internet connection, is or is not in fact a Chinese propaganda officer, probably a major or colonel?)

Communist revisionist history is a historical footnote, and a well-bibliographed one at that. Just look at the USSR's ever-shifting history textbooks. Is it any wonder that the Great Leap Backward still holds a warm and fuzzy place in Chinese hearts?

All of this is just a long-winded reminder not to take Fayadi's open racism and rose-tinted view of Chinese history to heart. He can't help but be a product of his country's (re-)education policy. <pats Fayadi on the head> He's being a good little running dog lackey, just like he was trained.

Remember that when things go wrong in a communist society (and they always do) someone has to be handy to blame for it. Everyone has always hated the 'dirty Jews' anyways, so why not blame them? (Mind you, I don't hate Jews, my grandma would never forgive me (I'm 1/8th Jewish).) It actually makes a lot of sense, in the Sino-typically brutishly pragmatic way. Not only do they have a handy scapegoat, they also get a toe in the door with the rest of the Jew-hating majority. It's a win-win, really. <smiles brightly>

Napoleon Bonaparte actually used the phrase 'rock the world'?
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In what way am I being pro-CCP? "brainwashed" and "racism" ?Think before you say,my view on Israel is quite similar to most Europeans(it is just that the people discussing here are mostly americans that we get some sort of bias view). Saying that I am some sort of CCP propagandist is really silly because I see a lot of problems in the party(although improving).
I normally hear these kinds of comments from "isolated" people who refuses to listen to actual facts and others perspective.I am not anti-jewish, I am stating a fact that Israel is not a "responsible" nation by what they have done so far.So please dont be emotional or exagarating
 
For the last time, get on topic.


Why does China need to have a big military? Come on!Do you still remember that China is one of the Cold War major player.We face threat from USSR and USA.Now,we are also surrounded by large military power country such as Russia,India and Japan.
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Substitute Israel for China, and the Arab states for all the others, and you answer your own question.

THAT IS IT ON ISRAEL.
IF IT IS MENTIONED AGAIN IN THIS THREAD, SAY GOODBYE.
FINAL WARNING.
 
All countries should be able to have nukes unless they have terrorist connections like Saddam or Kim Jong Il. Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, etc. should be allowedto have nuke.

Why doesn't someone offer the Palestinians a nuke at a huge cost.

The Chinese are just hoping for Western technology to improve their poor communist nation.
 
For the people who think more countries need nukes, I think that North Korea is a perfect example of why most countries should NOT have them.

Just think about it. Anyone who actually uses a nuclear weapon is going to be very desperate. So, countries who are very desperate, such as North Korea are many many times more likly to use them then a county that is not such as the United States. Thus why would you want these countries to have them?

By the way, if you read up on news reports, its not that North Korea is trying to get nukes. They already have them! I read a news article that stated North Korea already has one, possibly two bombs.

EDIT: Here is the news article - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,75286,00.html

And here is the quote from it-
"The United States believes North Korea has one or two nuclear weapons and could make several more within six months, if it reactivates a plutonium reprocessing plant. On Saturday, a North Korean official said that the plant north of Pyongyang was ready for operation."
 
Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
For the last time, get on topic.


Substitute Israel for China, and the Arab states for all the others, and you answer your own question.

THAT IS IT ON ISRAEL.
IF IT IS MENTIONED AGAIN IN THIS THREAD, SAY GOODBYE.
FINAL WARNING.
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Ok ok.Come on!Dont be offensive to each other(I admit I was one last time,but I think I have improved),it wont do any good.Making friends is always better than making enemies.I was just replying to your question.So no offense Ok!

By the way substituting like that still hasnt answered the question.China's opponents have nukes and are military superpowers so she must get nuke and have a huge army.So the situation is very different
 
Originally posted by Heffalump
Don't go all warm and fuzzy on China. They are hardly a trustworthy ally.

The only reason they object to DPRK nukes is they fear that it will lead to an arms race in which South Korea or, worst yet for them, Japan, will build nukes in reply.

The Chinamen don't like the idea of a nuke-armed Japan. Curtails their ambitions of being the big power in the region.

Of course the fools should of thought about that before they sold nuke technology to the Paks -- who promptly traded it to the DPRK in exchange for missle technology.

The Chinamen got bit by their own promiscuity.
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I'm sad that someone can get away with calling the Chinese Chinamen, with all its related racial connotations. This is no longer the age of Chinese coolies building America's railroads to the Pacific coast, nor the age of the Yellow Peril or Fu Manchu, yangguizi.

Regarding China's Korean policy, it has remained the same as it always was, for the past 2200 years. If the Chinese cannot rule Korea outright, then they cannot allow it to ally with a power hostile to the Chinese. In today's case, America and Japan.

China has had a long history of being invaded, the last being by the Japanese during the 30s and 40s. Allowing N Korea to fall or gotten absorbed by S Korea, a US ally, and allowing US troops to park right outside Manchuria are obviously not in China's interests.

The Japanese invaded China the same way, a century ago.
 
The Chinamen don't like the idea of a nuke-armed Japan. Curtails their ambitions of being the big power in the region.
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Neither did the Koreans (both Koreas), nor the other Asian nations. Japan didn't exactly have a 'Mr. Nice Guy' reputation in this region. :rolleyes:

Everyone fears a potentially militaristic Japan, which is a different thing.

And what exactly is wrong with China being the top dog in the region? It has the biggest population after all, and the largest size.
 
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And what exactly is wrong with China being the top dog in the region? It has the biggest population after all, and the largest size.
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Note that I didn't comment on the negatives or positives of China being top dog. Just outlining the politics of nukes in the region.

However it is my feeling that under the current regime it is a negative for the region for China to be the leading power. Were the government democratic and not spreading xenophobic nationalism I'd probably feel different.

I'm sad that someone can get away with calling the Chinese Chinamen, with all its related racial connotations.
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Chinamen is now regarded as offensive? My apologies. (I used to get great takeout near me in my college days at a place called "Three Chinamen".)
 
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