China to rule under the waves.

Why yes in fact you are. You should open all your broadcasts with that.

Alright boys and girls, time to school everyone on some history and current state of afairs.

Post World War 2- The Pacific Ocean in "military" circles is considered an "American Lake".
This claim is still held.
China lacks the military capacity to project power. China lacks a true "blue water navy" China's Air Force, though claimed to have an insane number of attack aircraft, lacks the training and modern technology to go up against a "Great" or "Super" Power. China is classified at best as a "Regional" Power with aspirations for bettering that stance. China's military technology is at best 30 years behind the US, not withstanding some technologies illegally obtained over the years from the Soviet Union/Russia or the US. For instance their so called "stealth" aircraft was designed off of parts from an American F-117 shot down in Kosovo in the 90s.
 
Alright boys and girls, time to school everyone on some history and current state of afairs.

Post World War 2- The Pacific Ocean in "military" circles is considered an "American Lake".
This claim is still held.
China lacks the military capacity to project power. China lacks a true "blue water navy" China's Air Force, though claimed to have an insane number of attack aircraft, lacks the training and modern technology to go up against a "Great" or "Super" Power. China is classified at best as a "Regional" Power with aspirations for bettering that stance. China's military technology is at best 30 years behind the US, not withstanding some technologies illegally obtained over the years from the Soviet Union/Russia or the US. For instance their so called "stealth" aircraft was designed off of parts from an American F-117 shot down in Kosovo in the 90s.

I take it you have decided not to start all your broadcasts with 'this is a joke'?

Despite your jingoistic American exceptionalist reasoning, you have stumbled across a fairly accurate conclusion.

Two points though.

1) it makes absolutely no difference where technology comes from. All the moralizing about how it was 'stolen' or whatnot makes absolutely no difference at all. Tech is tech, and dangerous tech can't be moralized away by calling the wielder 'just a thief'.

2) There are some very dangerous fish in that lake, so don't let your 'biggest phallus' beliefs get your country into any unnecessary urination contests.
 
It both tickles and infuriates me that you feel the need to degenerate into a generic "angry old man" rant in order to protest something you disagree with. You can't just be angry that you got asked to consider for a split second what your words mean before you say them, you have to remind us that you also disapprove of gender identity and racial identity politics as well. It literally angers you more that someone pointed them out as existing and identified the problems with that, than that the thing they pointed out actually exists. Says a lot about you.

To answer your question: yes, you should consider what the implications of your statements are before you make them. Who you are and what you're talking about dictates in large part what the words you're saying mean. It's called context. In this case, I allege that Cutlass, who has demonstrated in the past the willingness to believe in the Western-created Oriental mythos of the Asian Hive Mind and Eastern Despotism, here manifests that racist perception in the idea that these lesser-developed peoples could never EVER [his words are "not possible" as I quoted above] accomplish something that we advanced Westerners haven't already. We're the best and most advanced, you know, we're constantly at the front of human civilization, accomplishing all possible things as soon as they become technically feasible.

Don't get mad at me for pointing it out: he said it, not me.

And since you're so worried about what your white American cishet opinion means: yes, it does identify you as a greatly privileged person to be able to be so wholly ignorant of how words and actions hurt other people and perpetuate their oppression. There's nothing that hurts white straight American mens' feelings, because they run the world. Except being compared with someone who is not a white straight American male: gay, girly, thuggish (today's code word for Black) or ghetto, or "un-uhMERRikin."

Gender identity is great. More racial politics in many areas is sorely needed. But you're tilting at windmills with regards to Cutlass's statements in this thread and being a royal ass about it. Are the over-the-top generalizations supposed to hurt? It'd probably be more direct if you just called me a hick. If you're going to go for it, own it.
 
Gender identity is great. More racial politics in many areas is sorely needed. But you're tilting at windmills with regards to Cutlass's statements in this thread and being a royal ass about it. Are the over-the-top generalizations supposed to hurt? It'd probably be more direct if you just called me a hick. If you're going to go for it, own it.

I posted a one-line comment, it's you all who are freaking out about it in theatrical fashion, not me.
 
Problem is, I like serious discussion about racism. And putting on that shaving bowl, mounting the donkey, and subsequently bashing into the first brick dragon you see trivializes the very real forces of racism that harm and destroy good lives.
 
Problem is, I like serious discussion about racism. And putting on that shaving bowl, mounting the donkey, and subsequently bashing into the first brick dragon you see trivializes the very real forces of racism that harm and destroy good lives.

See, you're doing that thing again where you get mad at someone for pointing out the racism instead of getting mad at the racism existing.

Did you even read my argument and consider it? Or did you just instinctively react against it?
 
I take it you have decided not to start all your broadcasts with 'this is a joke'?

Despite your jingoistic American exceptionalist reasoning, you have stumbled across a fairly accurate conclusion.

Two points though.

1) it makes absolutely no difference where technology comes from. All the moralizing about how it was 'stolen' or whatnot makes absolutely no difference at all. Tech is tech, and dangerous tech can't be moralized away by calling the wielder 'just a thief'.

2) There are some very dangerous fish in that lake, so don't let your 'biggest phallus' beliefs get your country into any unnecessary urination contests.

It does make a difference where the tech comes from, the good thing being that we discovered via it being shot down multiple times that we needed to change the tech drastically (ala B-2 F-35(somewhat) and F-22). The Tech they stole doesn't work anyway but thats besides the point that they illegally obtained it. As to there are some very dangerous fish comment. See link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS
 
It both tickles and infuriates me that you feel the need to degenerate into a generic "angry old man" rant in order to protest something you disagree with. You can't just be angry that you got asked to consider for a split second what your words mean before you say them, you have to remind us that you also disapprove of gender identity and racial identity politics as well. It literally angers you more that someone pointed them out as existing and identified the problems with that, than that the thing they pointed out actually exists. Says a lot about you.

To answer your question: yes, you should consider what the implications of your statements are before you make them. Who you are and what you're talking about dictates in large part what the words you're saying mean. It's called context. In this case, I allege that Cutlass, who has demonstrated in the past the willingness to believe in the Western-created Oriental mythos of the Asian Hive Mind and Eastern Despotism, here manifests that racist perception in the idea that these lesser-developed peoples could never EVER [his words are "not possible" as I quoted above] accomplish something that we advanced Westerners haven't already. We're the best and most advanced, you know, we're constantly at the front of human civilization, accomplishing all possible things as soon as they become technically feasible.

Don't get mad at me for pointing it out: he said it, not me.

And since you're so worried about what your white American cishet opinion means: yes, it does identify you as a greatly privileged person to be able to be so wholly ignorant of how words and actions hurt other people and perpetuate their oppression. There's nothing that hurts white straight American mens' feelings, because they run the world. Except being compared with someone who is not a white straight American male: gay, girly, thuggish (today's code word for Black) or ghetto, or "un-uhMERRikin."

Let me ask this- China spends one third of what the Us does on its military. Does it sound like a racist assumption to make that a nation spending more on its military would have reached a particular military advancement earlier? Unless of course you ignore the rules of reality in which yes, this could happen. The only way this would be possible is if the US didn't want to pursue this avenue of military research.

Let me say this before I get accused of racism- I think the US and China are both equally suckish places to live. China forces citizens from their homes unlike the US where property rights are inviolable...unless of course, the cops launch a drug raid on your house, then your property can be seized with little warning and requires an expensive lawsuit to get back. China also pays government benefits to the people, unlike the US in which the government tries to avoid paying as much of the benefits you deserve as possible.
 
Problem is, I like serious discussion about racism. And putting on that shaving bowl, mounting the donkey, and subsequently bashing into the first brick dragon you see trivializes the very real forces of racism that harm and destroy good lives.

Everyone who fights fights their own way. If enough people would switch from doing absolutely nothing to an occasional tilt at a windmill it would probably do more good than harm.

To Cheezy's credit, I believe he will be bashing just as heavily into the thousandth brick dragon he sees as he does the first, and there is something to be said for consistency.
 
It does make a difference where the tech comes from, the good thing being that we discovered via it being shot down multiple times that we needed to change the tech drastically (ala B-2 F-35(somewhat) and F-22). The Tech they stole doesn't work anyway but thats besides the point that they illegally obtained it. As to there are some very dangerous fish comment. See link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS

Wow...sonar nets under the water...really...that's like sci fi man. I mean, who would ever have dreamed of such a thing?

Next thing you'll be trying to tell me that the US Navy has real ships that can travel underwater. Quit pulling my leg.
 
See, you're doing that thing again where you get mad at someone for pointing out the racism instead of getting mad at the racism existing.

Did you even read my argument and consider it? Or did you just instinctively react against it?

I'm not mad Cheezy. I am tired of certain things. I'm tired of being ah-MUH-rican when some urban college student disagrees with me. But it doesn't really hurt. That is a luxury I have. People can be stupid and bigoted and it doesn't actually hurt. I still don't get pulled over when I drive. That is a fortuitous and unearned chance. But it still gets old.

I went back and read Cutlass's posts in this tread again. That's three times as I count. I looked for what you're insinuating. You reference past threads. Maybe it's there. But it's not here. Here you look like you have a crusade, and it's whiffing. Don Quixote is really the reference I intend, and it's not as big an insult as you think. He's one of my favorite fictional characters. Positively inspirational mystique.

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go.

Problem is it's less inspirational when the dragons are real.
 
Wow...sonar nets under the water...really...that's like sci fi man. I mean, who would ever have dreamed of such a thing?

Next thing you'll be trying to tell me that the US Navy has real ships that can travel underwater. Quit pulling my leg.

SOS, at the level of deployment the US has, has not been rivaled ever. No other country on this planet has the ability to monitor so much of the World's ocean. Those SOS nets give us the ability to detect any Chinese threat presented. Again I point out the three most important facts.
1. China is militarily 30 years behind the US
2. China lacks a competent military
3. China lacks a blue water navy.
 
I'm not mad Cheezy. I am tired of certain things. I'm tired of being ah-MUH-rican when some urban college student disagrees with me. But it doesn't really hurt. That is a luxury I have. People can be stupid and bigoted and it doesn't actually hurt. I still don't get pulled over when I drive. That is a fortuitous and unearned chance. But it still gets old.

I went back and read Cutlass's posts in this tread again. That's three times as I count. I looked for what you're insinuating. You reference past threads. Maybe it's there. But it's not here. Here you look like you have a crusade, and it's whiffing. Don Quixote is really the reference I intend, and it's not as big an insult as you think. He's one of my favorite fictional characters. Positively inspirational mystique.

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go.

Problem is it's less inspirational when the dragons are real.

Great song. Makes me cry, which is not really fair on your part.
 
SOS, at the level of deployment the US has, has not been rivaled ever. No other country on this planet has the ability to monitor so much of the World's ocean. Those SOS nets give us the ability to detect any Chinese threat presented. Again I point out the three most important facts.
1. China is militarily 30 years behind the US
2. China lacks a competent military
3. China lacks a blue water navy.

Gosh colonel...please tell me and the other boys and girls more! I really like that term 'blue water navy'! Are the ships painted blue? Like camouflage? Gosh, I've never really met a great American hero who knows about real ships and stuff like you before.
 
Gosh colonel...please tell me and the other boys and girls more! I really like that term 'blue water navy'! Are the ships painted blue? Like camouflage? Gosh, I've never really met a great American hero who knows about real ships and stuff like you before.

If you don't know what the term "blue water navy" means then you clearly have no understanding of the military and comparisons of military powers between nations.
 
If you don't know what the term "blue water navy" means then you clearly have no understanding of the military and comparisons of military powers between nations.

I was begging for enlightenment from my obvious better and he treats me like this? What do you think my fellow boys and girls, should I beg or just go look up this mysterious term?


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Did you say that colonel, or was that some other military genius?
 
I was begging for enlightenment from my obvious better and he treats me like this? What do you think my fellow boys and girls, should I beg or just go look up this mysterious term?


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Did you say that colonel, or was that some other military genius?

Since Google escapes you.

A blue-water navy is a maritime force capable of operating across the deep waters of open oceans. A term used in the United Kingdom to describe such a force is a navy possessing maritime expeditionary capabilities.

[The Defense Security Service of the United States has defined the blue-water navy as, "a maritime force capable of sustained operation across the deep waters of open oceans. A blue-water navy allows a country to project power far from the home country and usually includes one or more aircraft carriers.
 
Gosh. Thanks for sharing your vast store of maritime knowledge with me colonel.

So, if the Chinese navy is thirty years behind in technology...and we wanted to know just how effective this SOSUS thing might be for detecting them, would you say you are the guy to ask? Because I'm really curious about this mysterious underwater stuff.
 
Gosh. Thanks for sharing your vast store of maritime knowledge with me colonel.

So, if the Chinese navy is thirty years behind in technology...and we wanted to know just how effective this SOSUS thing might be for detecting them, would you say you are the guy to ask? Because I'm really curious about this mysterious underwater stuff.

I refer you to Google there King Sarcasm, may it serve you well.
 
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