choxorn 01: Low level training game

[choxorn]

This is a training game for low level people. Chieftain-Monarch welcome to join. And now, for the settings:

SG settings:
Turnsets: 20 in Ancient and Middle ages, 10 in Industrial and (if we get there) Modern ages.
Players: Minimum 4, Maximum 6.
EDIT: Forgot to post this earlier:
Got it: 24 hours
Time to Play: 48 hrs. should be enough, but I'll make it 72 if people need the time.

Game settings:
Difficulty Level: Regent
Version: PTW v. 1.27f (would do C3C, but it's not working right now)
Map size: Standard
Opponets: 7 random AI
Barbs: Roaming
Victory Conditions: All on
Everything else will be voted on by the team. I have no opinion, but will vote in case of a tie.

Rules:
No Major Exploits, War, or Mobilization without talking to team, but I'm pretty sure everyone will be talking about war/mobilization for a while before it happens. Oh, and War includes MA's and MPP's. And don't mindlessly build AA wonders. I learned that the hard way.

Roster:
choxorn
cody the genius
jclast
kill fire
Bucephalus
goodsmell

 

[choxorn]

BTW, I will open it up to Regent, then Monarch level players if I can't get any on Cheiftain or Warlord. I won't go above that, though. Man, where are all the Cheiftain and Warlord players? I know there must be some out there.

 

[conquer_dude]

BTW, I will open it up to Regent, then Monarch level players if I can't get any on Cheiftain or Warlord. I won't go above that, though. Man, where are all the Cheiftain and Warlord players? I know there must be some out there.

Thay are scarce. Once this goes to monarch or regent I might join. But, you will have a very hard time getting chieftain or warlord.

 

[gmaharriet]

lurker's comment: I wish there'd been a game at this level about a year ago. It's very hard to break into playing SG's when a person is just learning, and I was too shy to ask to join a game at Emperor or above. I still play at the lower levels for fun and still enjoy them.

 

[The 777 Hoax]

I guess Warlord is alright, but you'll probably want to move it up to Regent.

I'm in.

 

[vmxa]

One problem is those that may benefit cannot be relied upon to stay the course. They are more likely to post a few time in the forum and then not come back or even see this forum.

 

[choxorn]

I guess Warlord is alright, but you'll probably want to move it up to Regent.

I'm in.

Welcome aboard, Cody! And Maybe I will move it up a level or two, as soon as I get proof that this isn't the first Cheiftain SG on this site.

Thay are scarce.

Then where can they usually be found? Maybe I can attract some of them here by posting a link there.

BTW, Regent/Monarch will be open 3 days after I open it to Warlord, which looks pretty soon considering there's two players already.

 

[conquer_dude]

You can find them in the strategy and tips pretty often. Usually you will have a hard time because they come around for like a month or so and just leave. I won't say any names.

 

[choxorn]

Okay, I'll go get them.
Just as soon as I finish kicking Bismarck's @$$...
BTW, I have been proven wrong about this being the first-ever Cheiftain SG. There has also been warlord SG's. So if I can't gather enough players in the strategy&tips forum, I'll move this game up a level or two.

 

[classical_hero]

If you want someone to be a trainer for this excerise I could be that person.

 

[gmaharriet]

You can find them in the strategy and tips pretty often. Usually you will have a hard time because they come around for like a month or so and just leave. I won't say any names.

lurker's comment: Yes, and they often post a "got it", take the save, and then disappear. I once saw an experienced SGer post who said it was like "herding beetles".

 

[choxorn]

@CH: Okay, you can help, but I think you're at too high a difficulty level to play.
@gmaharriet: In that case, I have edited the SG settings so they will be skipped if they don't post a "got it" and play...

 

[The 777 Hoax]

You can find them in the strategy and tips pretty often. Usually you will have a hard time because they come around for like a month or so and just leave. I won't say any names.

If you want someone to be a trainer for this excerise I could be that person.

What does a trainer do? I've never participated in a training game before, just regular ones.

 

[Alex Johnson]

While this seems like a great idea and I wish I had one when I was having trouble getting started, I think Chieftain is an all around bad idea. The difference between Chieftain and Warlord is huge. Since you are there to help and guide them, they should be playing a slightly more difficult game so they have something to learn. At Warlord, they won't be overwhelmed (they are still faster and better than the computer civs), they will have your turns to look at to learn from and you can correct their mistakes on your turn and explain why, and the AI will be resourceful enough to trade with. Chieftain AI is so boring to trade with...they don't have the ability to keep up in techs, so those aren't an option, and they have paltry amounts of gold to offer for your luxuries and techs. Pretty much all you can trade at Chieftain is maps.

I say all this as someone who really wished you did this six months ago. However, I've read the War Academy and skimmed a few threads where experts gave advice to Warlord players, and now I'm at Reagent without having lost a single game (unfortunately my time is such that I can only finish about 1 game a month so that isn't a lot of wins). So I'm still pretty much a novice and think I can make my comments about Chieftain being too easy and have it be a little more meaningful than one of those experts that plays games at Sid level saying the same thing (vmxa you give good advice but hearing you say "that shouldn't be hard" is a little empty).

So I recommend you start a "help the n00bs" SG at Warlord level and invite only players from Chieftain and Warlord. Anyone higher needs to be learning on a Monarch SG to fix their bad habits, not learn the game.

 

[choxorn]

But you haven't been a member for six months. Anyway, You're probably right that Cheiftain is a bad idea. I'll hold a vote and the team can decide whether or not to move it up to Warlord or Regent. But inviting only Cheiftian abd Warlord is a bad idea also: like Conquer dude said, there just aren't enough newb's out there.

 

[conquer_dude]

What does a trainer do? I've never participated in a training game before, just regular ones.

A training game is where (I think) that it it is, like um... Describe a trainer as a teacher.

 

[gmaharriet]

What does a trainer do? I've never participated in a training game before, just regular ones.

lurker's comment: A trainer is usually experienced at playing at least 2 or 3 levels higher than the trainees...sometimes even more. The trainer may actually participate in playing turnsets or may just give advice from the sidelines. Sometimes more than one experienced player helps train and experienced lurkers often follow the game and give good advice.

In a training game, there is usually lots more discussion between the players about what they want to accomplish, what would work best, why they made certain decisions during their turnset, how it could be improved. In a game at this level, I imagine there would be lots of focus on worker and citizen management, as well as city placement and what to build in each city and why. Probably also discussion of strategy and tactics on both offense and defense.

I was in a training game last September/October at Emperor level, and I'd been playing personal games at Regent for quite awhile. By the time the training ended, I was able to win at Monarch in personal games and my next SG was at DemiGod (which we won ). An experienced player can give you lots of helpful tips, ask and answer questions, and give you options you may never have thought of trying.

 

[choxorn]

Wow, People always seem to win SG's. Do they? If not, it might be interesting to read an SG that was lost. Link to one please (If one exists)?

 

[gmaharriet]

Wow, People always seem to win SG's. Do they? If not, it might be interesting to read an SG that was lost. Link to one please (If one exists)?

lurker's comment: Actually, they don't. If you look at the sigs of some of the very best players, they often list all the SG's they've played. They usually win more than they lose, but they'll show quite a few losses as well. I'll look around for a link.

 

[choxorn]

Good. I was beginning to think that SG's were impossible to lose! Or did I...