Arkaeyn
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I'm working on getting an historical atlas in the next couple of days, as the internet was turning into a pretty big annoyance for some of these maps. This project is still going!
City Names and Settler Maps
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BurnEmDown
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Glad to hear, maybe some of us can do something to help?
Arkaeyn
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Babylon, the Celts, Rome, and the Greek factions are all uncompleted. The main thing might be determining which Greek colonies fit better as Athenian and which as Spartan, if you want to go beyond city names.
Also, there's working on Wonders, buildings, and art for some of the new units.
Also, there's working on Wonders, buildings, and art for some of the new units.
BurnEmDown
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Well they could all share the same stability/settler/war values except for obvious ones (like Syracuse for Sparta if I'm not mistaken?).
Arkaeyn
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They could, but it would be cool if they could be encouraged to settle semi-historically. Balancing the time for settlement may take some doing though.
I think that mainland Greece should be very structural/historical so both Athens and Sparta are peacefully within their historical boundaries, but all Greek colonies should be open for both to take. That would allow the historic aspect, as well as giving them both equal chance to develop.
Since I don't know anything about modding, I can't help there, but I could try to look up historic city locations, and plot them on the map, if that's any help. Of course, I tried finding historic maps on the nets before, and it's not easy.
Since I don't know anything about modding, I can't help there, but I could try to look up historic city locations, and plot them on the map, if that's any help. Of course, I tried finding historic maps on the nets before, and it's not easy.
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Well my suggestion is only temporarily to get Sparta's and Athen's maps out of the way so work can be continued on more important issues, and in the later stages of creating the mod I don't think it will be a big problem to go back and change the settler maps to be more historical, no?
Arkaeyn
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My atlases came today! Going to try to work on these guys for the next few days. If anyone has any in particular they want to work on, let me know now, otherwise I'll just do as much as I can.
Still available:
all Greek factions
Rome
Babylon
Celts
Still available:
all Greek factions
Rome
Babylon
Celts
Arkaeyn
King
I have completed Babylon. Although in the process I've realized that there's a little empire called "Persia" which is somewhat lacking. That'll probably be my next target.
Arkaeyn
King
I'm jumping into Persia. Wish me luck.
Arkaeyn
King
Sounds good. Man, the northeast of Persia is a mess with those distorted mountains and Caspian Sea. Fortunately it's one of the least important parts of the map, but still.
EDIT: here's a pretty cool set of maps, for those without atlases. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Articles/Maps/Maps_of_the_Ancient_World.htm
EDIT 2: You know, the further I work on this, the more I think that given the overlap between these civs (as opposed to in vanilla RFC) and difficulty with sources it might have been easier to come up with a base template city name map, and then change things on a civ-to-civ basis. Ah well. That'll come up in an editing phase, I suppose.
EDIT: here's a pretty cool set of maps, for those without atlases. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Articles/Maps/Maps_of_the_Ancient_World.htm
EDIT 2: You know, the further I work on this, the more I think that given the overlap between these civs (as opposed to in vanilla RFC) and difficulty with sources it might have been easier to come up with a base template city name map, and then change things on a civ-to-civ basis. Ah well. That'll come up in an editing phase, I suppose.
Omega124
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Who are needed to be done? I bet I could some of the smaller nations (Don't have time to do something like Rome).
(I might even do one for a certain faction I want in, as a side project, In case if they are ever decided to be put in).
(I might even do one for a certain faction I want in, as a side project, In case if they are ever decided to be put in).
The Celts, and all three Greek civs (which will probably share their city names maps, right?). Whichever you choose, try to base your work on the already existing maps, such as the half-completed Roman one, so that the whole remains coherent.
Arkaeyn
King
There will probably be some Greek name differences, mostly with Macedon compared to the others, but for now giving them all the same names will be the best way to go.
The Settler Maps are going to be quite different, of course.
The Settler Maps are going to be quite different, of course.
Rome's city names map is mostly done!
- I didn't touch (or so) Italy, Hispania, Britannia and Gaul, as they were already done.
- Egypt is, err, messy. I just put the names of the main cities without paying much attention to the location along the north-south axis. Not having the Nile on the map didn't help.
- I wonder if we should put regions/provinces' names in areas without cities, like it is in the RFC Roman map?
- I made some minor modifications to the partly done Athenian map (for coherence).
- I guess the map can be used for the Byzantines also, but it would be good to look if any differences arise between them.
- The settler map is not done at all.
Arkaeyn, could you update the original post with the most up to date version (with Rome, Babylon and eventually Persia)?
- I didn't touch (or so) Italy, Hispania, Britannia and Gaul, as they were already done.
- Egypt is, err, messy. I just put the names of the main cities without paying much attention to the location along the north-south axis. Not having the Nile on the map didn't help.
- I wonder if we should put regions/provinces' names in areas without cities, like it is in the RFC Roman map?
- I made some minor modifications to the partly done Athenian map (for coherence).
- I guess the map can be used for the Byzantines also, but it would be good to look if any differences arise between them.
- The settler map is not done at all.
Arkaeyn, could you update the original post with the most up to date version (with Rome, Babylon and eventually Persia)?
Arkaeyn
King
Thanks Steb! How is Egypt messy? Was using the existing Egypt city names map not helpful?
I guess I'd be okay with regions if we couldn't find anything else, but primarily as placeholders, especially since we're also likely to have the capital names.
I'll add it to the full list when I finish with Persia...who also need help with Egypt.
EDIT: Ugh, Persia is mostly okay in the center, east, and west, but the north and south are big problems. I'm seriously pondering some map changes around the Tigris-Euphrates and along the Caspian Sea. It feels worse than Gaul or Iberia did - they could at least have some sense made by putting cities in place relative to one another. This goes from reasonably accurate to horribly inaccurate in the span of a couple squares.
I guess I'd be okay with regions if we couldn't find anything else, but primarily as placeholders, especially since we're also likely to have the capital names.
I'll add it to the full list when I finish with Persia...who also need help with Egypt.
EDIT: Ugh, Persia is mostly okay in the center, east, and west, but the north and south are big problems. I'm seriously pondering some map changes around the Tigris-Euphrates and along the Caspian Sea. It feels worse than Gaul or Iberia did - they could at least have some sense made by putting cities in place relative to one another. This goes from reasonably accurate to horribly inaccurate in the span of a couple squares.
The more I worked on the city names, the more I became unhappy with the map. Having a completely inaccurate map in some areas is not really interesting: it removes some of the fun playing in the real world with (somewhat) real history. But I suppose it is starting to be too late.
To tell the truth, I didn't put much effort into Egypt... Without the Nile as a landmark, I didn't know what went where. I could have used Zagoroth's Egyptian map, but I think there are some innacuracies in it.
To tell the truth, I didn't put much effort into Egypt... Without the Nile as a landmark, I didn't know what went where. I could have used Zagoroth's Egyptian map, but I think there are some innacuracies in it.
Arkaeyn
King
I felt like most of western Europe was primarily inaccurate in ways that didn't really matter - the focus was going to be elsewhere. But Mesopotamia and Persia aren't really that way.
Arkaeyn
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New version for download in the top thread.
CITY MAPS:
Greeks need work outside of Greece. Persia mostly completed, but still need some work, in Asia Minor, central Asia, and Egypt
SETTLER MAPS:
Same as above, only Rome needs to be done as well.
CITY MAPS:
Greeks need work outside of Greece. Persia mostly completed, but still need some work, in Asia Minor, central Asia, and Egypt
SETTLER MAPS:
Same as above, only Rome needs to be done as well.
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