Civ 5 Confirmed Features

[Beardy Dan]

From the Steam store page for ciV:

In-Game Community Hub: Compete with Civ players from all over the globe via the Internet or compete locally in LAN matches, offering endless ways to rule the world. The game itself now serves as the hub of community activity, featuring the ability to share scenarios, compare scores, brag about achievements and visit one of the thriving Civ fansites without leaving the game. It's now easier than ever for players to become involved in the global Civ Community.

If i'm reading this right there will be an In Game Browser. Here's hoping it doesn't default to IE.

 

[Michail]

In civ this is done with cities (and forts in BTS) or not at all, I think it'd be too complex to add this in, how would this work, what would be the limits?

I know, however you can not build two cities close to each other (imagine to have city in delta of Nile and want to build Suez).

The limitation could be easy ... only lowlands (grasslands, plains, deserts), max 2 plots from sea. Could be build as land improvement by workers.

Other way (less expensive) could be "enlarging and deeping" the river, which could be done e.g. as city improvement (after certain technology researched, e.g. Industrialism)

Forts are fine in BTS, but it's just a workaround.

These canals should CHANGE trade routes => get benefits from new tradelines. That's the reason, why both it this world were built.

I also think CIV should more focus on trading (as this always was a motive for expansions and conquest)

 

[Michail]

Maybe for cities of a certain size but that would be rather ridiculous to do that with every city

like I said before, river enlargement as city "building" ... of course expensive => only big cities could afford it (like Hamburg, which is actually 100km from the sea shore)

and like tile improvement on lowlands, however, it should cost something from to treasury to build.

Both would changed the in-land city to coastal city.

 

[Michail]

Sticking with the "canals" comment....I would love to see a "moat" improvement be made possible, especially for early game cities (pre-gunpowder). I'm not sure if/how amphibious promotions will impact or be impacted by Civ5 but...I always really wanted moats in CivIV. I usually play Monarch and have started trying Emperor and I could really use the extra protection for my lowly archers as surrounding civ's and barbarians outpace my early game development.

Anyone else suggested that yet? Too late to get in the new game ya think?

Don't know, half a year is not so much to add one city building ... or it can be added to some patch.
I think that they have other problems ... to go through all the suggestions

And in fact I think that moat is normally a part of city walls. However, when there is Castle, why not to have a moat.

 

[Mustakrakish]

SicFak I sort of fused the response to you with the response to shuttleswo. He/She was the one who talked about universal truths.

What you've written is interesting (and trust me none of it offends me - I'm not easy to offend) but I don't really have much interest in talking about this philosophy as you call it. Quickly though, on the topic of "universal truths" they never are statements about the physical world. One can never establish a universal truth about the world because we can only perceive the world through our senses, and our senses can be deceived at times. It was Descartes who wrote a lot on that subject IIRC.
Universal truths can only be abstract. The most interesting and familiar ones to me are in mathematics.

I hear ya

 

[Ed-Ward]

Required Specifications New

The game will have to be verified through Steam on first installation

WHAT?!!
...


First Settlers 7 and now this? My home computer is not connected to internet so I won´t be able to play Civ 5?

I am really not getting this DRM stuff. Either I buy the game and thus there is no need for DRM since the company gets the money or I obtain it illegaly with protection removed/bypassed.

The only one who is being beaten are the people who actually bought the game..

WHAT IS THE POINT????!!!!!

I am one of those "nuts" who believe that buying the game is a right thing to do. I buy every game I play. Now with this DRM frenzy I am seriously reconsidering. Most likely I will have to download a pirated version just to play the game. This is REALLY STUPID.

Ban me, report me to software police for speaking about piracy I really don´t care.

Games I bought from Firaxis:
Civilization 2
Civilization 3
Civilization 4
Civilization 5 - Preordered. Most likely I will cancel the order.
Civ4: Colonization
Alpha Centaury (Bought this twice since I lost the discs)
Alpha Centaury: Alien Crossfire

I hope it is worth losing customers, Firaxis...

 

[Whitestar60]

-Snip-

DRM is intended to deter casual piracy of a game or program and at least hinder more determines thieves. Given the time, money, and effort poured into a game it is their right to try protecting it, and your statement does nothing but reinforces that such measures are necessary. Personally I find your reaction highly amusing, given of all the potential DRM methods they could have used a one time verification is about as inoffensive as they could get. Would you have preferred it to require a steady connection to the internet even when playing, like Spore? Or how about limited installs where you had to call the company to maybe receive more like Bioshock originally had? Or how about software that deliberately cripples the game if it thinks its been pirated like in ARMA?

Anyway have fun with your piracy, just keep in mind you'll only make things worse for everyone else. Not that I suspect you would care about how it might effect others.

 

[Thormodr]

WHAT?!!
...


First Settlers 7 and now this? My home computer is not connected to internet so I won´t be able to play Civ 5?

I am really not getting this DRM stuff. Either I buy the game and thus there is no need for DRM since the company gets the money or I obtain it illegaly with protection removed/bypassed.

The only one who is being beaten are the people who actually bought the game..

WHAT IS THE POINT????!!!!!

I am one of those "nuts" who believe that buying the game is a right thing to do. I buy every game I play. Now with this DRM frenzy I am seriously reconsidering. Most likely I will have to download a pirated version just to play the game. This is REALLY STUPID.

Ban me, report me to software police for speaking about piracy I really don´t care.

Games I bought from Firaxis:
Civilization 2
Civilization 3
Civilization 4
Civilization 5 - Preordered. Most likely I will cancel the order.
Civ4: Colonization
Alpha Centaury (Bought this twice since I lost the discs)
Alpha Centaury: Alien Crossfire

I hope it is worth losing customers, Firaxis...

I know it might be a little awkward but why don't you take your computer somewhere where you can hook up to the internet temporarily? Certainly it would require some work on your part but then you could play Civ legally at home from then on. It's certainly better than the alternative.

I am sure that a local computer repair shop would do it for free or if you were to buy Civ from a store, I'm sure they'd help you out.

 

[Mustakrakish]

DRM is intended to deter casual piracy of a game or program and at least hinder more determines thieves. Given the time, money, and effort poured into a game it is their right to try protecting it, and your statement does nothing but reinforces that such measures are necessary. Personally I find your reaction highly amusing, given of all the potential DRM methods they could have used a one time verification is about as inoffensive as they could get. Would you have preferred it to require a steady connection to the internet even when playing, like Spore? Or how about limited installs where you had to call the company to maybe receive more like Bioshock originally had? Or how about software that deliberately cripples the game if it thinks its been pirated like in ARMA?

Anyway have fun with your piracy, just keep in mind you'll only make things worse for everyone else. Not that I suspect you would care about how it might effect others.

Em... how about NOT having to connect to Internet AT ALL!

I know it might be a little awkward but why don't you take your computer somewhere where you can hook up to the internet temporarily? Certainly it would require some work on your part but then you could play Civ legally at home from then on. It's certainly better than the alternative.

I am sure that a local computer repair shop would do it for free or if you were to buy Civ from a store, I'm sure they'd help you out.

Are you serious?!?

 

[Thormodr]

Em... how about NOT having to connect to Internet AT ALL!



Are you serious?!?

Yes, I am serious. If it requires you to access the internet once in order to be able to play the game and someone really loves Civ, then it is worth the hassle.

That's the reality of it if you don't have internet at home.

No need for histrionics.

 

[Mustakrakish]

Yes, I am serious. If it requires you to access the internet once in order to be able to play the game and someone really loves Civ, then it is worth the hassle.

That's the reality of it if you don't have internet at home.

No need for histrionics.

Oh is that so? Well I guess I'm not the one to talk considering I ever bought a computer only to play Civ4... Twice actually, first I bought a laptop with the sole reason to play civ4 whenever the heck I want covered with fake reasons like "I need it for my studies", and then I bought a powerful stationary so that civ4 would run better!
And I will buy civ5 and activate it and use steam or whatever, I have nothing to complain about.
BUT if I was in the same situation - without Internet connection at home I mean, then I would probably draw my line.

 

[Ddude97]

DRM is intended to deter casual piracy of a game or program and at least hinder more determines thieves. Given the time, money, and effort poured into a game it is their right to try protecting it, and your statement does nothing but reinforces that such measures are necessary. Personally I find your reaction highly amusing, given of all the potential DRM methods they could have used a one time verification is about as inoffensive as they could get. Would you have preferred it to require a steady connection to the internet even when playing, like Spore? Or how about limited installs where you had to call the company to maybe receive more like Bioshock originally had? Or how about software that deliberately cripples the game if it thinks its been pirated like in ARMA?

Anyway have fun with your piracy, just keep in mind you'll only make things worse for everyone else. Not that I suspect you would care about how it might effect others.

Just like to point out, Spre requires first time activation only, not constant (I know I've done it) the only downside is your playing against the same oponents every time. Actually Civ 5 is better than Spore about this, Steam could release if they stop supportings it, EA will never release Spore if it stops supporting it.

 

[friedonions]

Will you have to have the CD in to play the game? I always have to download cracks so I don't wear out my CD-ROM.

 

[ShaqFu]

Will you have to have the CD in to play the game? I always have to download cracks so I don't wear out my CD-ROM.

I recall hearing that you won't.

 

[Ddude97]

No you won't have to use a cd in game, if its like other steam games.

 

[Tylerryan79]

I haven't read through all posts, but the ign article from march 8 that youve quoted as a source mentions the cash for 15% bonus to research lasts 20 turns and can be cancled at any time but both parties will loose money. I think thats worth a mention.

 

[scribbler]

I haven't read through all posts, but the ign article from march 8 that youve quoted as a source mentions the cash for 15% bonus to research lasts 20 turns and can be cancled at any time but both parties will loose money. I think thats worth a mention.

Not to be pedantic (and the pedant in me must point out that even saying that IS pedantic), but from what I've read I got that it was that it took 20 turns for the research agreement to optimize, at which point it would continue, but that if you canceled it before the full 20 turns you wouldn't really get your money's worth. I may have misread it, of course.

 

[scribbler]

SicFak I sort of fused the response to you with the response to shuttleswo. He/She was the one who talked about universal truths.

What you've written is interesting (and trust me none of it offends me - I'm not easy to offend) but I don't really have much interest in talking about this philosophy as you call it. Quickly though, on the topic of "universal truths" they never are statements about the physical world. One can never establish a universal truth about the world because we can only perceive the world through our senses, and our senses can be deceived at times. It was Descartes who wrote a lot on that subject IIRC.
Universal truths can only be abstract. The most interesting and familiar ones to me are in mathematics.

I like Pie. Who here likes Pie? Pie is not abstract -- it's very very yummy.

 

[PieceOfMind]

I like Pie. Who here likes Pie? Pie is not abstract -- it's very very yummy.

Is that some sort of joke? I've never seen that one before.

 

[Ddude97]

Neither have I....