CIV Gold!

A few complaints...

1. Saddam Hussein of Babylonia doesn't really make that much sense. Better to have him be part of Arabia or as a standalone Iraq civ.
2. Not that many leaders, and the selection seems kinda. Odd. Table, chair, lamp, banana. I understand that you're going for evil leaders but you've got at least three that don't fit the bill. I'd say four but... Caligula's hard to debate on. Chances are he was just an average Roman emperor (which I guess would still qualify for being rather evil). Even then, though, wouldn't Nero be a better choice?
Maybe for England, instead of Richard III, you could have used Cromwell?
I can't really think of an American leader that'd fit in with the other evil leaders. We have crooks (Nixon, Grant), people who initiated unpopular wars (Hoover, JFK, both Bush's), etc. Nothing usually that evil, though. ...Well, depending on who you ask. I think each president has angered another country in some way.

I appreciate the feedback but I think some of you are reading too much into it.

The pack is intended to add some leaders that have been controversial additions here, so the opportunity was taken to add a few others that have been involved in controversy, mass death, international criticism, etc.

1. I addressed this above. Yeah, Arabia might be a better fit and perhaps we can change that in v.2 or in the 5.0 pack. It's easy to do and if that's how the community sees it, it's cool by me.

2. Gold 5.0 is going to add over 30 new leaders, plus these ones. As stated in the Q&A, there are many in that pack that could have been moved here - Idi Amin, Timurid, Attila - but the point here was just to have an add-on for guys like Hitler, Mussolini and Pol Pot in the interim while 5.0 was completed.

Nero would have been a good choice, or Cromwell. But I went with what was available and certainly, in terms of historical perception, Caligula fits the bill quite fine.

I also mentioned in the Q&A that Bush and Richard III are going to seem like odd choices given the company, but I wanted to broaden the inclusion because, let's face it, biographies - like history - are written by the winners.

Almost every leader can be called evil by someone. Mao, Stalin and Genghis Khan were added by Firaxis. Gold has added Suharto, Eyadema and Botha in past releases.

NoM is not meant to be a comprehensive judgement on anyone. It's just a collection of controversial leaders (and in some cases, terrible men) who have impacted history in ways more associated with war and death than peace and love.

5.0 is going to add a dozen more civs and three dozen more leaders. That will be the big release you may prefer.
 
I just checked the rating - 3 stars??

Come on guys, the artwork is top notch and if there is a problem with the XML figures, then fine. The mod isn't buggy and it installs fine.

If you're bumping down the rating because you don't think guys are placed in the right spots, then post it here. Don't disparage the work of the artists or the writers just because you don't agree with who is in and where.
 
What was so bad about Vercingetorix? :confused:

I asked the same when Wyz put it on the list, but he has explained it already in the last couple of posts. Maybe we should interpret "Nature of Man" in a broader sense and Vercingetorix then could be a tragic leader.
 
I gave a good rating as well....

I've always been a big fan of Civ Gold. Where else can you get nearly every addition civ for the game? And get nearly every available leaderhead all in one place? Civ Gold, of course.

The nice thing about modding is you can always make those little changes to make the game exactly how you'd like it be.

Thanks to all who put this together & I'm looking forward to 5.0! :goodjob:
 
Is Ataturk in Civ 5.0?
 
I did mention Egypt, part of North Africa, but Morocco is an Arab country. In fact, Marrakesh and Casablanca are cities in the Arab Civ.

Ah, ok, I did not get that you go by city names. I consider each civ to take the space where it is located up to its civ-neighbour on the world map. For Arabia that would have been Egypt, so that is where Arabia stops for me, even though they might have moroccan city names ;)
 
It depends. Some civs overlap due to the fact that empires rise and fall over time.

Can you say, "Not Constantinople"?
 
^From my conversations with Wyz, I believe that we are attempting to finish up everything by the end of February... But... wait a moment... It is the end of February already...

I think the release date is within sight, though of course Wyz is the one coordinating this all so he'd know better than me...
 
Is 3.0 the final version for Warlords?

EDIT: Just started playing a game, and Karl XXII's first greeting message gave me AI_FIRSTMEETING... instead of what his message should be. Using the patched 3.0 version for warlords. Is there an easy fix to this?
 
Re: version 5.0: was sick as a dog for the past few days. Target is the end of this coming week, but we still have testing to do.

Re: 3.0 for Warlords: unfortunately we have not been able to keep up to date for all Civ expansions. The first greeting error is caused by an offset in the Diplomacy XML. You should be able to compare the 2 XML (original from Gold for Warlords / current from patched Warlords) and see where the offset occurs.
 
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