Civ-specific Great People

Here are a few suggestions for Sweden. How many do we aim for?

Great Scientists:
Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778, created the modern taxonomy of species).
Anders Celsius (1701-1744, chemist, from where we got degrees Celsius).
Carl Wilhelm Scheele (1742-1786, chemist, discovered several elements).
Olof Rudbeck (1630-1702, anatomist).
All the apostles of Carolus Linnaeus, among them for instance Pehr Kalm (1716-1779).

Great Engineer
Christopher Polhem (1661-1751, made several inventions, and introduced much technology, supervised construction of Göta Kanal).
Nicodemus Tessin the Elder (1615-1681) and
Nicodemus Tessin the Younger (1654-1728, father and son, architects, known for many castles, the most important being the royal castle constructed after the fire in 1697).
Jonas Alströmer (1685-1761, agricultural reformer, credited with bringing potaties to Sweden)
Henrik Hybertsson (??-1627, constructor of Vasa, a Swedish ship that sunk on its maiden voyage, incredible well preserved and one of the main tourist attraction of Stockholm today).

Great Prophet
Olaus Petri (1493-1552, most important religious figure for Sweden, broght the reformation here).
Laurentius Andreae (1470-1552, another reformer).
Gustav Trolle (1488-1535, most famous opponent of the reformation).
Hans Brask (1464-1538, one of the more famous bishops of Swedish history, mostly due to the story wherein he, although he did sign a death warrant, put in a note that he was forced to. That note saved his life later one, giving rise to the notion of a "Brask note", meaning you sign something under protest).
Saint Birgitta (1303-1373, she lived in the time frame before 1520 when Sweden spawns here, but within the time of Sweden in RFCE++. She's, as far as I know, Sweden's only saint).

Great Generals. (Do we have name in the English rendering or the local language, i.e. Karl XII?)
Charles XII (1682-1718, most famous warrior king of Sweden, lost in the great Nordic war, after many initial, brilliant victories).
Gustavus Adolphus (1594-1632, close or above Charles XII, another warrior king, built the Swedish Empire in the 30 years war).
Charles XI (1655-1697, another Swedish king, reformed the army creating the Karolins, won against Denmark in the bloody battle of Lund).
Charles X Gustav (1622-1660, took a Swedish army and walked over the ice between the Danish islands, quite a daring feat).
Carl Gustav Rehnskiöld (1651-1722, best commander of Charlies XII)
Adam Ludwig Lewenhaupt (1659-1719, second best commander of Charles XII).
Magnus Stenbock (1664-1717, defended Sweden while Charles XII was away).
Gustaf Horn (1592-1657, most important general of Gustavus Adolphus).

Great Artists
Carl Michael Bellman (1740-1795, our most beloved musician from that time)
Queen Kristina (1626-1689, invited a number of artists to Sweden. I don't know if being a patron of art is sufficient to classify as a great artist. For instance, should the Medicis be used as great artists?)
Gustav III (1746-1792, same as Kristina).
Hedvig Eleonora (1636-1715, as above).
In general, I have difficulty coming up with Swedish great artists besides Bellman if we are not to include patrons of art. What's your opinion on that option?

Great Merchants
Jakob Persson Wallenberg (1699-1758, founded the Wallenberg dynasty, which to this day retain control of important Swedish companies).
Georg Herman af Trolle (1680-1765, captain on first exepdition of the Swedish East India Company).
Claes Fleming (1592-1644, organzied the colony of New Sweden in America).
Hendrik Carloff (1622-??, founded the Swedish Gold Coast colony).

Great Spies
Jöran Persson (1530-1568, counsellor and spymaster of Eric XIV. The way he has been depicted in Swedish history makes him perfect as a great spy).
Axel Oxenstierna (1583-1654, de facto ruler of Sweden when Gustavus Adolphus was out warring and in Christina's minority)
Axel von Fersen (1755-1810, Swedish diplomat that engineered the escape attempt of the French Royal family during the revolution. Alledged to have had a relationship with Marie Antoinette).
Greycoat (1655-1697, nickname given to Charles XI, he is alleged to have travelled around the country, dressed as a simple farmer, to root out corrupt noblemen).
 
Here is a first draft for France, with 5 names per field. I will fill in details when I have a bit of time.

Scientists:
Antoine Laurent Lavoisier
Blaise Pascal
René Descartes
Charles-Augustin de Coulomb
Buffon

Engineers:
Vauban........................... - Military architect
Pierre-Paul Riquet.............. - Canal engneer
Denis Papin...................... - early Steam Engine works
Joseph-Michel Montgolfier.... - with his brother, inventors of the hot air baloon
Louis Le Vau .................... - Main Versailles architect


Prophets:
Saint Rémi
Saint Louis
Jean Calvin
Saint Vincent de Paul
Saint Jean-Baptiste de La Salle

Generals:
Jeanne d'Arc
Henri IV
Bertand du Guesclin
Philippe Auguste
Claude de Villars

Artists:
François Rabelais.... - Great writer of the XVIth C
Bernard Palissy....... - Ceramics pioneer
Molière ................. - Great comedic playwright
Jean Racine........... - Tragedian
Pierre Corneille....... - Author of "Le Cid"


Spies:
Philippe de Commines
Cardinal de Richelieu (by virtue of his peerless management of spies)
Chevalier d'Éon
Talleyrand
Charles Gravier, count of Vergennes


Merchants:
Turgot .......................- 1727-1781 - Finance minister & early liberalist
Jean-Baptiste Colbert .. - 1619-1683 - Louis XIV's finance minister and proponent of interventionnism
Pierre Le Pesant .......... - 1646-1714 - a precursor of modern economics
Olivier de Serres ......... - 1539-1619 - founder of agronomy
Sully .........................- 1559-1641 - Henri IV's chief minister
 
Considering that the Netherlands are unlikely to spawn many great people (they start late after all), so I think it should be doable. Artists, Scientists, maybe Engineers should be easy, prophets a little harder (some protestant guys?). I don't know about spies (well, the guy who killed Willem of Orange) or generals (Michiel de Ruyter, perhaps some others). If we get 5 in each category, some more merchants perhaps (simply guys who discovered islands or whatever), we should be fine.
 
All right, first draft for prophets
Mostly based on the originally included GPs and the posts in this thread

Spoiler :
Code:
	France			Robert the Pious
				Joan of Arc			??
				Voltaire
				Saint Remigius
				Saint Louis
				Jean Calvin
				Vincent de Paul
				Jean-Baptiste de La Salle
					
	Byzantium		Thomas Magister
				St. Augustine
				St. Cyril
				St. Methodius
					
	Bulgaria		Clement of Ohrid
				St. Cyril
				St. Methodius
					
	England			St. Thomas Becket
				Sir Thomas More
				Roger Bacon
				Robert Grosseteste
				Saint Bede
					
	Sweden: 		Emmanuel Swedenborg
				Olaus Petri
				Laurentius Andreae
				Gustav Trolle
				Hans Brask
				Saint Birgitta
	
	Italy:			Francesco Petrarca
				St. Thomas Aquinas
				Catherine of Siena
				Benedict of Nursia
					
	Hungary:		Saint Margaret/Margit
				Saint Emeric/Imre
				Saint Ladislaus/László
				Saint Elizabeth/Erzsébet
					
	Poland:			John Cantius
				Saint Hedwig of Silezia
				Jadwiga of Poland
					
	Germany:		Martin Luther
				Immanuel Kant
				Albertus Magnus
				St. Wenceslaus (Bohemian)
					
	Dutch:			Baruch Spinoza
				Desiderius Erasmus
				Gisbertus Voetius
					
	Spain/Portugal		Ignatius Loyola (Spanish)
				Uriel da Costa (Portuguese)
				John of God (Portuguese)
					
	Cordoba/Arabia		al-Maimonides (Cordoban)
				Abd Allah Ibn Sena (Persian)
				Ibn al-Haytham (Persian)
					
	Russia/Kiev		Alexander Nevsky (Novgorodian)
				Boris Godunov (Russian)
				Vladimir Sviatoslavich (Kievan)
 
Are you going to implement this for RFCE++ too Morholt?

RFCE++ is based on the latest official release of RFCE
I assume Morholt won't leave these out after the next Beta is released ;)
 
Great Artists
Carl Michael Bellman (1740-1795, our most beloved musician from that time)
Queen Kristina (1626-1689, invited a number of artists to Sweden. I don't know if being a patron of art is sufficient to classify as a great artist. For instance, should the Medicis be used as great artists?)
Gustav III (1746-1792, same as Kristina).
Hedvig Eleonora (1636-1715, as above).
In general, I have difficulty coming up with Swedish great artists besides Bellman if we are not to include patrons of art. What's your opinion on that option?

Not sure, but doesn't seem like a good solution to me
Using explorers and such as Great Merchant is one thing, but using patrons as Great Artists just doesn't feel right
Perhaps we should have a single GA pool for all Scandinavians?
 
Most of the map is Christian, so for them to consider any holy person born in that time period a "prophet" would be a bit heretical. :lol: The other fraction of the map is Muslim, and they believe Muhammad to be the definitive last prophet, the Jewish don't have their own civ, so I think we should change the unit name "Great Prophet" to something else. "Saint" would obviously be the best option if only there was a way to call Muslim Great Prophets something else. "Great Mystic" would be the best for Muslim Great Prophets.

Here is a list for Spain, I know that no game will realistically have that many people, but this way you get different ones every game. I plan to expand on the Portuguese and Cordoban GPs as well, also the Italian civs if nobody else does it.

Spain:

Scholars:

Martín de Azpilcueta
José Celestino Mutis
Antonio de Nebrija
Francisco de Vitoria
Francisco Suárez
Baltasar Gracián
Antonio de Ulloa
Juan Luis Vives
Francisco de Enzinas

Engineers:

Juan Bautista de Toledo
Juan de Herrera
Fernando de Casas Novoa
Alonso Rodríguez
Agustín de Betancourt
Juanelo Turriano
Jorge Próspero de Verboom
José María Lanz
Filippo Juvarra
Sebastián Van der Borcht
Francisco Herrera el Mozo

Prophets:

Santa Teresa de Ávila
San Francisco de Javier
San Ignacio de Loyola
Santo Domingo de Guzmán
San Juan de la Cruz
San Vicente Ferrer
San Isidoro de Sevilla
San Fulgencio de Cartagena
San Leandro de Sevilla
San Eulogio de Córdoba

Generals:

El Cid
Gonzalo de Córdoba
Don Ambrosio Spínola
Don Juan de Austria
Fernando Álvarez de Toledo, Duque de Alba
Pedro Navarro, Conde de Oliveto
Gaspar de Guzmán, Conde-Duque de Olivares
Francisco Castillo Fajardo, Marqués de Villadarias
Joaquín Blake y Joyes
Gómez Suárez de Figueroa, Duque de Feria

Spies
Juan de Jáuregui (First attempt to shoot William of Orange)
James "Spanish" Blake (but he also spied for England and France?)
Antonio Pérez

Artists

Francisco de Goya
El Greco
Diego de Silva y Velázquez
Miguel de Cervantes
Lope de Vega
Francisco de Zurbarán
Francisco de Quevedo
Garcilaso de la Vega
Gaspar Sanz
Tomás Luis de Victoria
Bartolomé Esteban Murillo
Fray Luis de León

Merchants

Cristóbal Colón (No, he wasn't Genoan! :lol:)
Juan Ponce de León
Vasco Núñez de Balboa
Lope de Aguirre
Diego Caballero (actual merchant!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Caballero
Juan Ponce de León
Pedro Menéndez de Avilés (Administrator of Spanish Treasure Fleet)
José Penso de la Vega
Juan Sebastián Elcano
Juan de Bermúdez
Salvador Fidalgo
 
A tip for Great Spies : particularly notable Foreign Ministers of the nations concerned are good substitutes for the real thing.
 
A tip for Great Spies : particularly notable Foreign Ministers of the nations concerned are good substitutes for the real thing.

Well I got two real spies, and I've never had more than one Great Spy in a game, and I doubt I will ever find any Spanish Foreign Minister as prolific as Talleyrand! :lol:
 
Well I got two real spies, and I've never had more than one Great Spy in a game, and I doubt I will ever find any Spanish Foreign Minister as prolific as Talleyrand! :lol:


For example, Antonio Pérez (1539-1611) would be a good fit for Spain/Aragon.
 
For example, Antonio Pérez (1539-1611) would be a good fit for Spain/Aragon.

Wow that's pretty good. He even had a very shady life, although he ended up mostly selling Spain's secrets to other people. I added it to my list anyway.
 
Not sure, but doesn't seem like a good solution to me
Using explorers and such as Great Merchant is one thing, but using patrons as Great Artists just doesn't feel right
Perhaps we should have a single GA pool for all Scandinavians?

Alright, here is take two on Swedish Great Artists:
Carl Michael Bellman (1740-1795, as above).
Erik Dahlberg (1625-1703, engraving artist).
David Klöcker Ehrenstrahl (1628-1698, court painter).
Johan Tobias Sergel (1740-1814, sculptor, but to be honest the reason he is well known is that a central plaza in Stockholm is named in his honor).
 
Here is a list for Spain, I know that no game will realistically have that many people, but this way you get different ones every game. I plan to expand on the Portuguese and Cordoban GPs as well, also the Italian civs if nobody else does it.

A large number of names is great. The reason I restricted the Swedish list to about 5 names per category was that it was quite hard to come up with famous Swedes in all category. I can imagine even five being hard for some civs (e.g. Burgundy?).
 
A large number of names is great. The reason I restricted the Swedish list to about 5 names per category was that it was quite hard to come up with famous Swedes in all category. I can imagine even five being hard for some civs (e.g. Burgundy?).

You don't have to restrict anything, since these are xml addons only (no graphics). The more the merrier :)
If you only have 2-3 in a category, but 8 in the other, that's perfectly fine too
For example we can have merged pool for spies, while still having an individual pool for every nation in generals

Those are fighting words! I'm up for the challenge ^^

That's the spirit ;)
 
Here is a Dutch list. They are not in chronological order: (I forgot the Great Spies, but I'll post those later)
Spoiler :
Great Artist
Rembrandt van Rijn
Jan van Eyck
Johannes Vermeer
Jacobus Vide
Frans Hals
Joost van den Vondel

Great Prophet
Desiderius Erasmus
Gisbertus Voetius
Baruch Spinoza
Hugo de Groot
Jan Breydel
Pieter De Conick

Great Merchant
Abel Tasman
Willem Barentsz
Jan Huygen
Cornelis Houtman
Johan van Oldenbarnevelt
Steven van der Hagen
Josef Coymans

Great Engineer
Simon Stevin
Cornelis Drebbel
Laurens Praalder
Adriaan Dortsman
Pieter Post

Great General
Maarten Tromp
Michiel de Ruyter
Johan de Witt
Antonie Van Diemen
Maurits van Oranje
Jan Coen
Cornelis Jol

Great Scientist
Anthonie van Leeuwenhoek
Christiaan Huygens
Wellebrord Snel van Royen
Martinus van Marum
Pieter van Musschenbroeck
Frans van Schooten
Backup GS
Dirck Rembrantsz van Nierop
Pieter Rembrantsz van Nierop
Jan Henry van Swinden

Great Spy
Adriaan van Campen
Claes Michielszoon Bontenbal
Klaas Annink
Jan van Leiden
Jacob Frederik Muller
Willem van der Marck
Hendrick Danielszoon Slatiuis
 
Merijn, why did you add Jan Breydel and Pieter De Coninck as Great Prophets?
Just read their wiki articles, and it seems they don't really have any connection to religion or philosophy
 
Merijn, why did you add Jan Breydel and Pieter De Coninck as Great Prophets?
Just read their wiki articles, and it seems they don't really have any connection to religion or philosophy

According to the Dutch Wikipedia, Jan Breydel was a resistance fighter. In the vanilla game, Joan d'Arc is a prophet to. I thought they are in about the same category. So I made him a Great Prophet.

Same story for Pieter de Coninck. (He was a "team" with Jan Breydel. Together they stood at the base of a revolt that resulted in the Batttle of the Golden Spurs)

On the other hand, they lived almost 200 years before the spawn of the Dutch. That's also a reason to not include them.
 
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