Civ Unique Ability Elimination Thread

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Canada:
I think people somewhat forget that it has a downside of prohibiting YOU from waging surprise wars as well! And for that and its passive nature...

Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 10+1=11
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 1-3=eliminated
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 21
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 22
Kongo - Nkisi: 24
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 24
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Poland - Golden Liberty: 6
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 21
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 16
Zulu - Isibongo: 22

Brazil: Egypt and Poland are worse and should die first.
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 21
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23 (22+1) I love making super compact cities as Japan. They're so good too!
Kongo - Nkisi: 24
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 24
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Poland - Golden Liberty: 6
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 21
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 13 (13-3) Wanna hand your opponent free uranium every turn? Great for that.
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 18 (21 - 3) People aren't going to like me saying this, but the mountain working ability is only useful in mountainous regions and honestly feels almost useless if I have better tiles available. I'm sure there's decent cases for it but it's not useful once you get builders up and going.
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23
Kongo - Nkisi: 24
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 24
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Poland - Golden Liberty: 6
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 22 (21 + 1) I find the two light cavalry produced at once to be extremely helpful in a quick mobilization effort. Early game it helps for a military base and mid-late game can change the tide of war if used effectively.
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 13
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 18
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23
Kongo - Nkisi: 24-3 = 21 I don't see why it's so high. Unless you're OCC, there's so many other better ones out there.
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 24
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Poland - Golden Liberty: 6
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 22+1=23 Free units = happiness.
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 16
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 13
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 18
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25 (24+1) Easy to use and effective. Extra adjacency is always welcome. Now with GS, they have the bonus to dam and flood barriers, which synergizes so well with the rest of the civ.
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Poland - Golden Liberty: 6
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 13 (16-3) Rewards from encampments are kinda nice, but they are limited and after a while, you can't take advantage of this any more. You're also limited by the random nature of where encampments spring up. Some games I have barbarian hordes, other times it's easy sailing. So this is hit or miss. And if I want to go the way of the levy game, Hungary is clearly a better choice to do so.
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 13
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 15=18-3, Choosing between Sumeria and Inca, but finally settle with this one. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, as you will almost always find a better tile to work than a mountain tile.
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Poland - Golden Liberty: 6
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 13
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14=13+1, How does this ability have the same point as Sumeria's when this one singlehandedly helps you dominate World Congress while Sumeria's one is literally useless after 1 or 2 eras?
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 15
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Poland - Golden Liberty: 6+1=7 Essentially an extra Wildcard slot and ability to reliably culture bomb. So why again is this so low while Greece isn't?
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 13-3=10 Stops being relevant fairly early in most scenarios.
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 12 (15-3) Negligible ability. The Inca are strong but it's not thanks to this. In practice the best mountain will only give 2 prod & 4 food (4 hills around it). Usually, there will be a tile that is better thanks to the starting bias.
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 19 (18+1) The only production boost for siege units in the whole game plus many boosts for conquest . A very strong and unique ability.
Poland - Golden Liberty: 7
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 10
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 12
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20 (19 + 1). Oh yes, production for siege units is great because those things are expensive. However, remove this bonus and it is still a great ability! Because not losing population AND gaining +4 loyalty means I can conquer cities on other continents without too much prep. In fact, why not just go for the biggest, baddest city in the middle of the empire and then spread out from there! These guys are great
Poland - Golden Liberty: 7
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 7 (10 - 3). Like Macedon's bonus, except even more random. Wow, I got some free faith for a pantheon! Great, right? Now I have to wait a dozen turns for the civic the finish so that I can remove God-King because I'm now wasting turns with it. Could have been better to get another bonus and continued running God-King... you know, a bonus like the boost to a civic! By mid-game the bonuses become so little that they're negligible. And that's not the end of it. With Macedon's Hellenistic Fusion, one could at least plan for the boosts. In this case, it depends on Barbarian spawn AND your ability to clear it. That Macedon's ability ended up being eliminated first is a minor atrocity in this thread.
The second half of the ability is even worse. Instead of buying units I can only use for a bit, I'd rather give experience to my own units and use the gold to upgrade them into their more modern OP versions. I'm Gilgamesh, I'll be having plenty of Heavy Cavalry units anyways!
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
 
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Zulu's Isibongo has dropped off the list. Next poster please re-add it with 22 points
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 15
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 12
Inca - Mit'a: 12
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 23 + 1 = 24 (All the adjacency bonuses! So good.)
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 7
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 7 - 3 = 4 (I basically agree with the previous voter. This ability is too random. I suppose that I should levy more, but...)
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16 (15+1) Getting a third district at size 4 in your capital allows you to construct the government city in your capital without worrying about falling behind in the race for that early great scientist because you built a holy site in your capital instead of waiting to build a campus. Later on you can use the governors to spam multiple districts with less downtime in your new cities buying them with faith and gold.
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9 (12-3) (All the adjacency bonuses! So good.) With the way adjacency works this only seems to benefit building commercial districts, aqueducts and damns for me).
Inca - Mit'a: 12
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21 I really want to vote this one down and off the list, but I am spreading around my no votes for now. It's fine if you get multiple early artifacts, but if you don't then you only really get a few GPs and there are other Civs that do that much better.
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 13
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 7
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 4
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 12
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14 (13 + 1) How come so low? Mines with extra Gold and Production (looking at you there Mali), and then as it the Pitati wasn't't OP enough, they made it cheaper, and a quicker learner.
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 7
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 23
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 1 (4 - 3) Tribal village rewards are negated after a couple Eras. This is definitely the weakest left.
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 12 (11+1) A fun economic bonus. Weaker than the Dutch one but stronger than before now that you can build Lumber Mills on rainforest tiles, incentivising you to keep them around.
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 12
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Rivieren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 7
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20 (23 -3) I'm not too big on this ability. It's nice to have in a pinch, but light cavalry are fairly weak compared to other units types and rushing with them isn't as easy as it used to be. Many AIs expand quickly before you get to horseback riding. Nubia has a similar bonus, but for Archers which I like a lot better.
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 1
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 12+1=13
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 12
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Rivieren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 7
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 1-3=eliminated
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22

Sumerian ability is by far the most situational out of remaining ones, while Brazilian on the contrary - quite universal and deserving to live longer than Sumer and Poland.
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 14 = 13 + 1 Great adjacencies for districts that can win you 3 different victory conditions. Can't complain about that.
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 14
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 12
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Rivieren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 4 = 7 - 3 It's not a free wild card as implied above. You are transferring a military slot which you often need for barbarians, agoge to get your military built up so you don't get conquered, conscription to keep your economy afloat until you build more trade routes.
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 14
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 15 (14+1) With the new industrial zones this is just amazing for a industrial era push.
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 9 (12-3) Love me some Inca but this isn't that great its the weakest thing in their kit and like Brazil you have to start nuking your terrace farms for districts/wonders so it starts to be this trade off game.
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Rivieren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 4
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11 (14-3) The weakest adjacency bonus since you really want to chop those forests.
Egypt - Iteru: 13
England - Workshop of the World: 15
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 9
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20
Netherlands - Grote Rivieren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 4
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 24 (23+1) The ability that defines this civ. So much science...
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 10 = 13 - 3. The bonus to building districts is only ok. The bonus to building wonders is very similar to France which was eliminated a while ago. Flood protection is nice but conflicts with the wonder bonus. The district and wonder bonus conflict with Egypt's unique improvement. Just an awkward ability all around.
England - Workshop of the World: 15
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 9
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21 = 20 + 1. It takes some micromanagement to manage your trade routes effectively but it is quite strong when done so. +6 combat strength is stronger than what most unique units get. Mongolia can get that for their entire army, all the time.
Netherlands - Grote Rivieren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 4
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 24
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22
 
Australia - Land Down Under: 26-3=23

The weakest left is Sumeria, no doubt about that. My least favorite though is by far this mismatch of a bonus that doesnt really fit thematically.

Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 26
Brazil - Amazon: 11
Egypt - Iteru: 10
England - Workshop of the World: 15
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 16
Greece - Plato's Republic: 24
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube 9
Inca - Mit'a: 9
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 24
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 17
Maori - Mana: 28+1 =29 Unique, powerful, flavor. Whats not to like??

Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riveren: 25
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 14
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 4
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 17
Russia - Mother Russia : 25
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 24
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 14
Zulu - Isibongo: 22

Moderator Action: Edited to correct several missed votes -- Browd
 
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