Long time Civfanatic. First time poster in Civ 5 forums. Howdy. So, I've picked up Civ V fairly recently, played a few games, and meddled a little in the XML. IMHO the games is just OK - I've enjoyed the play and I prefer the general feel of the game to Civ 4, but it all feels a little shallow - in other words, in need of some extensive mods. I've had a look through the Creation & Customisation threads and found some great stuff by Gedemon, Danrell, bernie14, killmeplease, Androrc the Orc (not an exhaustive list, I know) and others, but it seems that there's a pretty limited number of people working on Civ 5 mods at present. Comparing the latest file updates for Civ 4 and Civ 5 there's some good content in both, but it seems that if you want to make a mod then Civ 4 is really the place to do it. The active users (115 vs 60) bear that out. On Gods & Kings - I should make it clear that I don't have G&K yet. I've heard that the AI and diplomacy in G&K is not particularly improved from vanilla. I've also read with concern some pretty dire stuff about the expansion changing things so much that many mods don't work without substantial updating which makes me wonder whether I want to get involved at all. Add to all that the fact that Jon Schafer has left Firaxis. Well, does this game realistically have a long-term future, or is it the Windows ME of Civ games? What do the people here think. Is Civ 4 still the one to commit to if you want to create a mod? Is G&K a massive step forward? Can Civ 5 improve with a killer second expansion? Will the modding community pick up speed if the source code is released? Has the Steam mod database stifled creativity? Am I just missing where the action is!? NB - If you want to rant or rave about Civ V, Firaxis or Steam then please do so in an appropriate thread, not this one. Calm, serious, debate only here please. Moderator Action: Moved to C&C.