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Civ V stock image Scavenger hunt

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by OrsonM, May 10, 2011.

  1. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    It's pretty simple. Two wrongs don't make a right. This doesn't exonerate Firaxis in any way.

    Shame on Blizzard as well if they basically stole artwork for free by slightly altering it and then proceeded to not give credit to the original artist in a way. It's doubly shameful since they run on basically an unlimited budget.
     
  2. Valbuena

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  3. Brichals

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    You are right but I think it's maybe a practical problem not a money problem. It takes time to make original art that is good. Unless they have more people in the art department than the entire team they have to cut corners where they can.

    Well by this stage I think the main problem is that permissions weren't seeked but again maybe they found this difficult to do practically. It's not the main priority I think, although they should have done it for a handful of those images. Peoples holiday snaps that found their way onto google images are fair game I think. Even if you wanted to track the source it would be so hard.
     
  4. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    It smacks of laziness and dishonesty in my opinion. Also penny pinching any way thery could along the way.

    In fact, I think the whole reason they chose art deco in the first place was to be able to do this. They can cheap out by using other people's images and modify them slightly. Saves time and money.

    Likely, 2K Games put their foot down in order to rush the game out the door to placate their stockholders. Budgets cuts and lack of time forced Firaxis to be "creative". I say this ironically since they were anything but creative.

    Still, being in a time crunch of their own doing and financial woes are piss poor excuses for what they did.
     
  5. Brichals

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    Well it's probably hard for the developer guy who has to ask for an artist to make dozens of original art pieces. Tbh I would also say, well take as many stock images as you like and just get them out in a good style as well as you can in the time available (+ a few weeks for the obvious extended deadlines which always occur). It has become obvious in this thread that this is somewhat common practice (e.g. the flipping, do they teach that in design school). It's more of a pity they didn't have the decency to ask permission in the 4-5 dubious cases but it's not the end of the world. These things could also maybe be settled for small amounts if somebody really feels the need for it. Citations and references are always nice, like for the Benjamin Frankln guy, I think he would have liked a spot in the acknowledgements.
     
  6. Louis XXIV

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    Indeed. If you notice, any one that used a photo of someone changed the face first. So to suggest they would use an image of your family and change the clothes and not the face is misrepresenting what they're doing. It's more like they keep the clothes and change their faces.
     
  7. Watiggi

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    Wow, if I were a graphic artist in firaxis and I saw this thread I'd be rather embarrassed lol.

    Actually, after going through this thread I reckon I could pass as a Firaxian graphic artist :p All I need is Google and the ability to crop, cut, mirror and paste lol!
     
  8. OrsonM

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    Though the family example might not be the most compelling, let's try to imagine what if it had actually happend, like when it actually happened for example:



    That is Danielle Smith's family, and that's an ad in Czech grocery store. Danielle din't got paid anything. Now we might have similar consolation arguments for Danielle: you know, it's not so bad, nobody knows you on the Czech Republic and like, no one is going to remember it anyways, and it's such a small part of the ad campaign, so stop whinning. It's tottally legal, or it should be, because of the internets, I can haz family picture!.

    Danielle has a more insightful opinnion abou it though:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105318456

    Notice none of the pictures here are from any source that could possibly sue them at any point. That is, these do not belong to any major video game company and no major corporation that might wisen up to them. Some do belong to stock image houses, to web organizations and federal organizations (Such as the Franklin Tercentenary) and of course to little people like Jeffrey Stephenson.

    But maybe we are thinking that it doesn't matter because of course they changed many of the faces from the original pictures. That it's true for pictures like the one of actor Josh Hartnett. Yet if it was completely legal to go right ahead with this practice on every picture they could get their grubby hands on, then how come they altered Josh's face yet they didn't alter other pictures on the same manner?



    (this picture, like many others, is not public domain)

    Was Josh and his lawyers more of a liability than good ol' Jeff? who knows?. They most definitely could not change the face of Jeff's computer (it's actually a computer, not a microphone), but they did flipped it and added some glowing crap on the background, so there Jeff, now can't sue!.

    When Jeff Stephenson was here no one told him to stop whinning, that Firaxis tottally had the right to do this or that no one would remember this. We were all polite, we all understood his position. We couldn't possibly imagine anyone being such an ass about it to his face.


    maybe if they had added some glowing crap on the background...

    Except, again, when it did happen to Deviantart photographer Lara Jade. Who had her image apropiated and used for a porn movie cover. Her image was on the internet, yet it didn't gave anyone the right to use it (as some have stated before, but there is no such thing as a "yoink law"). Hell you can barely see her face in that porno though!, yet it was still wrong both on philosophical principles (she didn't grant permision) and judicial principles (she was also 14 at the time). The company that took her image kept it mighty classy though, by writting back her this gem:

    But she won the case!, you can read it all here (first the post she made about the case when it came up), she was awarded 130.000 in damages:

    http://larafairie.deviantart.com/journal/35098843/#comments

    http://larafairie.deviantart.com/journal/35098843/#comments
     
  9. jagdtigerciv

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    I believe this was the /thread?
     
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    Awesome thread! :goodjob:
     
  11. BenAxiom

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    Ancient Ruins (Fountain of Pollio)

     
  12. OrsonM

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    My hat off to you Ben for finding yet another one. I've been having the hardest time trying to find Stone and Stoneworks, any thoughts on these?
     
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    DELETED: Redundant comment others made earlier in the thread
     
  15. Shurdus

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    I lolled so hard at this.

    Stuff like this happens all the time, and it is legally fine. This is not even walking a fine legal line, what Firaxis did is so far on the safe side of the line that they cannot even see the line anymore. They need not make excuses for anything, they did something that is legal and fine.

    I can see people being not happy with civ5, but I do not get why a non-issue like this should deserve any scoffing.
     
  16. Thormodr

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    I prefer real creativity rather than a simple cut, paste, flip and slightly alter. *Shrug*
     
  17. Shurdus

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    Ans I am sure Firaxis should be ashamed of themselves because they let you down in that regard. It smacks of laziness and dishonesty! :rolleyes:
     
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    I came to that same image as well when I was searching for it. I can tell that the illustration style is very different from the rest of the other graphics (sunlight is coming to the image instead of coming from the image). Perhaps the image of the Quarry was used as a reference and it's all fair play.
     
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    Just wanted to let everybody know that I'm having a release party for my new title :

     

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