Civ VI Leader Pass 2

[Caesar of Bread]

Now that the Leader Pass is over I kind of want to change around some of my ideas for a hypothetical Leaders Pass 2. The main reason is I want to make sure that no leaders overlap any others.


Maria Theresa (Germany and Hungary): Royal Marriage-When in an alliance with any other civ you may send a Royal Child to that civ. The Royal Child will gain you more diplomatic visibility and +2 culture, or +2 diplo favor with GS, per turn.
Agenda: Hapsburg Dynasty-Wants to be an alliance with as many civilizations as possible. Dislikes civilizations that don't want to form an alliance, or have more alliances than her.

Nice

Isabella (Spain): The New World- All Naval units gain experience from exploration, and may explore tribal villages adjacent to the coast. Exploring a tribal village and finding a new continent grants faith and gold equal to half of the strength of the unit that finds it. Great Admirals are cheaper to purchase with gold and faith.

Do we really need her?

Hannibal Barca (Phoenicia): Numidian Cavalry- Has a chance of a free Cavalry Unit or Naval Unit when you destroy a Barbarian outpost. Units may go through mountains if they start their movement within range of a Great General, but lose half health.
Agenda: Quinquereme- Likes to have the biggest navy. Dislikes civilizations with more naval units than him.

Nice

Ivan IV (Russia): Oprichnina-Gain 100% production towards units in cities where you have negative amenities, or losing loyalty in R&F and GS.
Agenda: Novgorod-Likes to keep his cities happy and productive. Likes civilizations that also follow this approach.
I originally had Ivan III, but his Third Rome ability now seems to similar to Theodora.

Great!

Ezana (Ethiopia): Ezana Stelae- 50% production towards monuments. Monuments grant +2 faith.
Agenda:Religious State- Likes for all his cities to follow his religion. Dislikes civilizations with multiple religions in throughout their cities.

Amazing

 

[Caesar of Bread]

If she was the empress of the Holy Roman Empire, she can lead a civ with this name, HRE.
As we can see in the map below, the "Germany" take a part of Austria , but not all of that, and more, Austria was a independent kingdom who is just partially in Germany and the other half control other european nations as Hungary.

Also, there was wars between Prussia and Austria. If Germany be a thing before 1870, as you said, theses wars should be civil wars, but it isn't, it was formal war between nations.

So, I think put Maria Theresa as leader of Germany is extrapol too much the concept of Germany... Why we don't extrapol the nation of concept of other nations? As using Guarani leaders as Sepé Tiaraju as leader of Paraguay? Or Brazil have it's unique unit before the independence as using Bandeirantes....

As I said in other thread, we can even use Teodoric, king of Visigoths, to be leader of German if we extrapol too much the concept of Germany.
But, as a historian nerd, I think we should pick Bismarck ever as leader of Germany, because he is the only one who isn't controrversial.

Evidence that the HRE was a predecessor to Germany:
"Rex Teutonicus" - King of the Germans (an HRE title)
"Holy Roman Empire OF THE GERMAN NATION"
Their anthem was later used as "Deutschland Deutschland Uber Alles" (if it wasn't for the Nazis then I'd love that song)

Sepe Tiajaru could, I'd have to look into that.
As we all have chanted before, the banderiantes were slavers.
Theodoric was more linked towards the Goths than the Germans.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Ezana rly should be a great addition!

 

[Caesar of Bread]

Ezana rly should be a great addition!

I agree with you on this one. Ezana should lead Ethiopia in VII, as this shows an Axumite side to Ethiopia that we haven't seen before

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Do we really need her?

Well if England can get 4 leaders and personas, and France can get 3, I figured Spain could at least get one more.

 

[Xandinho]

If there is another leader pass, I think Maya should get another leader. Its decentralized organization formed by city-states, such as Greece and Phoenicia, is a favorable opportunity to add more leaders.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I am all for a Leader Pass that adds more Indian leaders. A Sassanid and Safavid leader each for Persia would also be nice. I would also be for an alternative Arabian leader, but the way the Arabian civilization has been designed I don't see much room for variety (though Baybars would be a decent choice) (late though: maybe a Fatimid leader as well?)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I am all for a Leader Pass that adds more Indian leaders.

I could possibly see a Mughal leader work. I'd really want the Mughals to be their own civ though, at least for Civ 7. Making a cultural/builder leader for India would be interesting and I might add one in to my list.

I would also be for an alternative Arabian leader, but the way the Arabian civilization has been designed I don't see much room for variety (though Baybars would be a decent choice) (late though: maybe a Fatimid leader as well?)

I agree that Arabia is fine now. Both personas of Saladin represent Arabia well already.

 

[FishFishFish]

(late though: maybe a Fatimid leader as well?)

It's weird to think about, but technically Vizier Saladin is indeed a Fatimid leader.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

It's weird to think about, but technically Vizier Saladin is indeed a Fatimid leader.

Yet his agenda is named Ayyubid Dynasty.

 

[Yorke]

I also would love a new Indian leader (maybe the return of Ashoka?), Hannibal daddy, Jeanne D'Arc (to keep the femme only France/England, love those gurls), Isabela from Spain, Haile Selassie and Nebuchadnezzar II.

And new personas I think 6 new leaders and 3 personas are the perfect number for a Final Pass

 

[Xandinho]

India really should have more leaders, in fact it should be on par with China in number of leaders.

If there was one more leader pass, these civs I think would get other leaders (not the ones I would exactly like it to get, but the ones I think would get in):

America (why not another American leader for their biggest market?).
China (similar to America).
France (they need to balance things out between France and England).
Sweden (lots of complaints with Kristina).
Ethiopia (we can expect at least one non-Egyptian African leader).
Babylon (a leader for one of the most classic civs in the franchise).
Spain (Isabella is in high demand).
India (maybe they remember that India exists?)
Netherlands (some people still complain about Wilhelmina).
Maya (less confident in this last one, but maybe now they remember Latin America?)

I would even add the possibility of satisfying the Koreans for the third time.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I also would love a new Indian leader (maybe the return of Ashoka?),

I'd love Ashoka for Civ 7, but I don't know about for Civ 6. I feel like he'd be too similar to Chandragupta already, and possibly Gandhi depending on playstyle. Having a leader from "Medieval" India or "Renaissance" India makes more sense than another Classical one.

Jeanne D'Arc (to keep the femme only France/England, love those gurls)

Her as a hybrid religious/defensive leader for France could be interesting. She'd also go with the whole cultural victory if she could produce relics easier.

I would even add the possibility of satisfying the Koreans for the third time.

Not unless the leader comes with a Turtle Ship.

 

[Caesar of Bread]

India really should have more leaders, in fact it should be on par with China in number of leaders.

If there was one more leader pass, these civs I think would get other leaders (not the ones I would exactly like it to get, but the ones I think would get in):

America (why not another American leader for their biggest market?).

Yay! Either Thomas Jefferson or Dwight Eisenhower (maybe MLK)

China (similar to America).

Tang Taizong?

France (they need to balance things out between France and England).

Phillip II Augustus or Henri IV

Sweden (lots of complaints with Kristina).

Gustav Vasa or Charles XII could work

Ethiopia (we can expect at least one non-Egyptian African leader).

Ezana?

Babylon (a leader for one of the most classic civs in the franchise).

Lawmaking Hammurabi or Nabopolassar?

Spain (Isabella is in high demand).

Isabella would be nice

India (maybe they remember that India exists?)

Ashoka or Akbar?

Netherlands (some people still complain about Wilhelmina).

William of Orange?

Maya (less confident in this last one, but maybe now they remember Latin America?)

Yuknoom Cheknil? We could do a Lady Six Sky persona.

I would even add the possibility of satisfying the Koreans for the third time.

Jeongjo?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Lawmaking Hammurabi or Nabopolassar?

Starts the game with Code of Laws civic?
I wished regular Hammurabi already had that, instead of making a whole new persona for him.

 

[Caesar of Bread]

Starts the game with Code of Laws civic?
I wished regular Hammurabi already had that, instead of making a whole new persona for him.

I also thought of a Hammurabi that delt with city-states, but it won't be as cool.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I agree that Arabia is fine now. Both personas of Saladin represent Arabia well already.

I don't agree with that. Arabia in Civ 6 mostly represents just the Ayyubid Sultanate, which is not representative of the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates, which are arguably more suitable for an Arabian civilization. Not to mention that both Saladin and the Mamluk unique unit are non-Arabs!

But you are right that Saladin's design doesn't leave much room for alternate leaders.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Also posting my suggestion for an Indian leader pass (mostly because I'm very proud of it, though some of the leader abilities need some more thought).

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I don't agree with that. Arabia in Civ 6 mostly represents just the Ayyubid Sultanate, which is not representative of the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates, which are arguably more suitable for an Arabian civilization. Not to mention that both Saladin and the Mamluk unique unit are non-Arabs!

But you are right that Saladin's design doesn't leave much room for alternate leaders.

I meant design wise, like you said.
Saladin and the Mamluks both were part of the Arab civilization, even if they weren't part of the same Arab ethnicity, however. The Mamluks were used by various Arab dynasties and Saladin still ruled over parts of the Arab world.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I meant design wise, like you said.
Saladin and the Mamluks both were part of the Arab civilization, even if they weren't part of the same Arab ethnicity, however. The Mamluks were used by various Arab dynasties and Saladin still ruled over parts of the Arab world.

What I meant was the Ayyubids aren't representative of the Arabian civilization as a whole – especially of its most important manifestation in the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates. What I would have liked was at least the possibility of the Abbasids/Umayyads being represented alongside the Ayyubids...