Civ VI TSL

I really wish Australia had a Civ in the base game but it doesn't look like thats happening. A few less civs in Europe would have been nice as well. But what are you going to do about it.

I would also love to have Australia, as the Southern Hemisphere is so vastly underrepresented in the known Civ VI roster. There is nothing but city states and barbarians down there.
 
Looks like vanilla TSL balance will be bad, just as bad as in civ5 but with different vectors. Vanilla civ5 had nobody in south america, southern half of africa and central asia - civ6 fills all those voids, but instead south east asia will be horrible (and by extension east asia too - just two civs, china and japan!), as north america (huge continent fully dominated by US). Oh and Europe will be completely unplayable (except russia) if somebody attempts to put all civs on tsl map.

Mongolia, North American Indians and 1-2 SEA civs will be necessary before TSL maps in civ6 will have anything resembling balance (persia and another africans would be helpful too)... On top of all that, there will be no aztecs for most people in the beginning. I'm 90% sure US will dominate TSL games then, with practcally no competition on the hemisphere. Tl;dr it can be argued the TSL balance is even worse this time.

I won't play earth maps of civ6 for a long time for sure, until some crucial dlcs and mods filling gaps come out (especially in Asia). On the plus side, Europe maps will be decent with so many white men, but not to great due to the lack of Ottomans :l
 
Looks like vanilla TSL balance will be bad, just as bad as in civ5 but with different vectors. Vanilla civ5 had nobody in south america, southern half of africa and central asia - civ6 fills all those voids, but instead south east asia will be horrible (and by extension east asia too - just two civs, china and japan!), as north america (huge continent fully dominated by US). Oh and Europe will be completely unplayable (except russia) if somebody attempts to put all civs on tsl map.

Mongolia, North American Indians and 1-2 SEA civs will be necessary before TSL maps in civ6 will have anything resembling balance (persia and another africans would be helpful too)... On top of all that, there will be no aztecs for most people in the beginning. I'm 90% sure US will dominate TSL games then, with practcally no competition on the hemisphere. Tl;dr it can be argued the TSL balance is even worse this time.

I won't play earth maps of civ6 for a long time for sure, until some crucial dlcs and mods filling gaps come out (especially in Asia). On the plus side, Europe maps will be decent with so many white men, but not to great due to the lack of Ottomans :l


I also think Brazil will be OP in TSL vanilla maps. Teddy's combat bonus from continents is useless, and since Brazil will be near a lot of rainforests, Pedro will have crazy adjacency bonuses from districts. And if Brazil and USA go to war, Pedro sure can prevail in the sea with his UU.
 
I guess I'll have to make my alternate earth maps. Maps with continents "based" on earth, but different shapes.

Of course, with all of the european, north African, middle eastern civs, my Orbis Ptolamae map would be a nice fit.

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I really wish Australia had a Civ in the base game but it doesn't look like thats happening. A few less civs in Europe would have been nice as well. But what are you going to do about it.
I agree with you but apparently we are a modern Civ and unworthy of Civ status.

I posted in the thread about an Australian Civ what I think would make a good one so hopefully a modder picks it up and runs with it.

If they didn't want to do Australia they could have done one of the Aboriginal/Torris Straight people's Civ. Either way I'd be happy.
 
Why is there an orange dot on the Great Lakes?
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I agree with you but apparently we are a modern Civ and unworthy of Civ status.

I posted in the thread about an Australian Civ what I think would make a good one so hopefully a modder picks it up and runs with it.

If they didn't want to do Australia they could have done one of the Aboriginal/Torris Straight people's Civ. Either way I'd be happy.

Ya the most important thing for me was a nice spread. Who wants to play as the same Civs as the last game. I am they could have chose from all the civs from Civ V's mods. I am not saying they should have only picked new Civs, but maybe they could have brought Germany and France (nothing against them, they are just examples) as DLC and put in the Inuit or something.

Sorry for vague details and typos. Holding my baby and he is squirming.

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I also think Brazil will be OP in TSL vanilla maps. Teddy's combat bonus from continents is useless, and since Brazil will be near a lot of rainforests, Pedro will have crazy adjacency bonuses from districts. And if Brazil and USA go to war, Pedro sure can prevail in the sea with his UU.

Brazil seems custom made for TSL maps. Depending on what the Russian attributes are, I would say that America, China and Brazil will be TSL favorites in Civ VI, as they will have the most advantages for unchecked expansion. India will also have a great location, as there is no Persia or Siam, so it will be interesting to see what features it offers for larger empires.
 
Brazil seems custom made for TSL maps. Depending on what the Russian attributes are, I would say that America, China and Brazil will be TSL favorites in Civ VI, as they will have the most advantages for unchecked expansion. India will also have a great location, as there is no Persia or Siam, so it will be interesting to see what features it offers for larger empires.

Those nations aren't the best on tsl map, they are the worst. As a player you have no challenge while playing as them - abnormally huge empty land with no competition. I don't find fun in dominating huge wasteland and then easily crushing overcrowded AIs.
TSL needs Mongolia, SEA and NA Indians (and maybe Incas) to put pressure on and balance those civs.
 
Is it me, or does the US alone have more natural wonders than any other, well, continent I dare to say ? I know we didn't see them all but ...

By the way, ELRACj, if you don't mind, could you add an aditionnal dot to mark the places of the world wonders, please ? Of course, don't force yourself, and take your time !
 
Brazil seems custom made for TSL maps. Depending on what the Russian attributes are, I would say that America, China and Brazil will be TSL favorites in Civ VI, as they will have the most advantages for unchecked expansion. India will also have a great location, as there is no Persia or Siam, so it will be interesting to see what features it offers for larger empires.

India are going to be able to go all the way down to Australia unhindered. They will have 2 NWs waiting for them when they get there and it will be a blood bath when Gandhi decides to Nuke everyone.
 
I've always played TSL, in V it didn't get really good until Colonialist civs were modded by folks like TPangolin, JFD, Sukitrakt, leugi, and others. The holes in SE Asia, Africa, and the Americas fill in nicely. I suspect it will be the same in 6... probably about a year after release
 
Jakarta is seen in the First Look: Spain video.
 
Jakarta is seen in the First Look: Spain video.

Thank You! I added Jakarta and Kumasi as city-states.

Is it me, or does the US alone have more natural wonders than any other, well, continent I dare to say ? I know we didn't see them all but ...

By the way, ELRACj, if you don't mind, could you add an aditionnal dot to mark the places of the world wonders, please ? Of course, don't force yourself, and take your time !

I might make a second map with all the world wonders. My only hesitation is that they do not add to a TSL map since they can be built by anyone. There is also a lot of wonders and they may overlap on Cities.
 
I've always played TSL, in V it didn't get really good until Colonialist civs were modded by folks like TPangolin, JFD, Sukitrakt, leugi, and others. The holes in SE Asia, Africa, and the Americas fill in nicely. I suspect it will be the same in 6... probably about a year after release

I only saw the Kulin mod last night, I've never played as them before... would be interesting, but now that Civ VI is just around the corner I am hoping that they'll bring them accross somehow.
 
Is it me, or does the US alone have more natural wonders than any other, well, continent I dare to say ? I know we didn't see them all but ...

It doesn't matter much in a TSL map, since the Aztecs start nearer to the Yosemite and the Crater Lake than America itself does.
 
So uh, Brazil wins every TSL game then?

With so much rugged terrain south and wonders north, I think Monty will always be preoccupied with America. Meanwhile isolated Brazil will get a culture science and religious victory after 50 turns with all that reinforces and no one to bother them.
 
I only saw the Kulin mod last night, I've never played as them before... would be interesting, but now that Civ VI is just around the corner I am hoping that they'll bring them accross somehow.

If the modding in VI is as adaptable as the devs are stating, porting these civs to the 6 engine won't be that time consuming. I'm sure you might have noticed, sukitrakt is already working on leaderheads for modcivs in VI... I'm excited for the new game, even if the base is "Eurocentric" or whatever.
 
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