civ4 expansion civs: The List

[dh_epic]

I think you can expect to see anywhere between 4 and 8 new civilizations in the next expansion. That's the way it's been historically. Also, all bets are off because Civ 4 functions on new leaders, not new civs. So you may only see 2 new civilizations, but 8 new leaders.

The way I see it, over a long enough period of time, nearly every suggestion for a new civilization would make it in. It's simply a question of priorities.

If there's a gap in an important part of history that can't be told without a certain civ in the game, then that immediately takes a higher priority. The end result is you're left with substitutes in other parts -- China stands for Vietnam and Korea. Arabia stands for Babylon and Sumeria. England stands for the Celts, the Germans for the Dutch, and the Spain for the the Portugese. These substitutions may seem insulting to the most hardcore purists, but when you take a step back you realize that you can't possibly include this level of detail in the first version of the game.

I'm modestly happy with the leaders in Civ 4 -- with the exception of Mongolia, let alone two leaders. But with that, here are the top 8 for the next version (in my humble opinion), ranked in terms of priority:

1) Turkish/Ottoman: For hundreds of years, one of the biggest, richest, and most cultured empires in the world.
2) Dutch/Netherlands: One of the great colonizers. (Seafaring)
3) Abyssinia/Ethiopia: The ONLY civilization to resist European colonization. More than China or India can say. Takes on a legendary importance in religious thought.
4) Portugese: One of the great colonizers. (Seafaring)
5) Phoenicians: Had an empire that stretched from Lebanon to Libya. Founded Carthage. Invented the Alphabet. (Seafaring)
6) Vikings: Discovered the new world, and the ancestors of great Scandinavian countries. (Seafaring)
7) Slavs: kind of a meta civ, but there's a very rich history of civilization somewhere between Germany and Russia.
8) Mayans: Very rich and unique art, architechture, recreation, and ceremonies. Seperately invented writing and the number zero.

 

[riskbreaker86]

agreed eipc, but what about the Byzantines? there would be a clash with the Ottomans here as they would share the same capitol, although prior to the conquest of constantinople the capitol was at Edirne and before that Bursa. Just a thought. I'd also choose Ottomans over Turks, the period of Turkish Ottomanism is much easier to represent in the game, UU as the Janissary and the leaders as Mehmed II and Suleyman I.

Mehmed II could be aggressive and expansionist, and Suleyman scientific and seafaring.

 

[dh_epic]

The way I see it, the Byzantines would be better suited to the second expansion pack (e.g.: after the 8 I listed). I feel like they'd already be covered by a combination of Roman, Greek, and eventually Turkish Civilizations. Again, not to say that they're unwelcome as a Civ, but it's an issue of having higher priorities to cover other important periods and regions in history.

For the same reason, I'd say it should be the Turkish civilization until you have so many Civilizations that you can disginguish the Ottoman period. Again, it's a question of priorities.

 

[brachy-pride]

I prefer ottomans, 2 civs with the same capital is ridiculous

we already have romans and greeks, byzantines not needed, better to have ottomans.

Why would the dutch deserve to be in the game more than portugal by the way?



I would add

America-Mayas

Europe-Portuguese, Dutch, Poles, Austria

Africa-Ethiopia, Carthage, Zulues (Zulues were not an actual civ, but it is important to have the bantu expansion represented)

Asia-Korea, Vietnam, Tibet (only if china doesnt complain, like, prohibiting the game, china is a big market)

 

[NeoT]

Well i think it would be better to have first two leaders in every civ, and then adding more civs, here i put a list

Japan - I think Hirohito, to add more "evil" leaders in the game. Also is remarkable that he conquered a large empire.
Aztec - Acamapichtli, the founder of the aztec dinasty
Persia - I think Xerxes, under his rule the Persian empire had their biggest expansion.
Greece - I think that Pericles could be a good choice.
Rome - Augustus, the best roman emperor.
Egypt - Ramses obviously..
Arabia - I don´t have a clue about this.
Mali - I don´t have any clue about this either
Inca - Pachacutic, he expanded the empire to their largest expansion, also he expanded the incan culture through all the empire. i don´t know why Huayna capac was their first leader, i think it was a mystake by firaxis
Spain - Charles I (Charles V of Germany), when he was governing, Spain had a very big part of europe under his control (Spain, The Low Countries and the Holy Roman Empire)

PD: Sorry if my english sucks, it´s not my language

 

[King Ash]

Well i think it would be better to have first two leaders in every civ, and then adding more civs, here i put a list

Japan - I think Hirohito, to add more "evil" leaders in the game. Also is remarkable that he conquered a large empire.
Greece - I think that Pericles could be a good choice.
Rome - Augustus, the best roman emperor.
Arabia - I don´t have a clue about this.

1) Officially the militairy was in charge of wartime Japan. Hirohito didn't have much influence on the events. At least thats what everybody says in Japan.
2) It's funny Fireaxes made Alexander III, a Macedonian, the leader for the Greeks. Contemporaries didn't consider Macedonians as Greeks, and they weren't allowed to participate in the olypmics. The Greek civilization should be renamed as 'Macedonian'.
3) Octavian didn't consider himself emperor and was very careful not to say that in public. Octavian's succesors in the 2nd-3rd century started using the term 'ceasar'.
4) There were several caliphs after the death of Muhammed who greatly expanded and consolidated the Arab empire (7th-8th century). Their names escape me at present.

5) Phoenicians: Had an empire that stretched from Lebanon to Libya. Founded Carthage. Invented the Alphabet. (Seafaring)

The Phoenicians never had an empire. Only Carthage had one, very late in Phoenician history. The Phoenician cities operated like Greek cities - they were city-states who did colonize other areas but didn't control those colonies directly.

 

[Ribannah]

Mali: Sundiata Keita, who defeated the Sorcerer King and united the clans.

 

[dh_epic]

The Greek civilization should be renamed as 'Macedonian'.

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The Phoenicians never had an empire. Only Carthage had one, very late in Phoenician history. The Phoenician cities operated like Greek cities - they were city-states who did colonize other areas but didn't control those colonies directly.

Again, this is the kind of purism that you have to ignore as a matter of priority. You could say that the Greek, Hellenistic, Byzantine, Aegean, Minoan, and Macedonian civilizations are all very different. But are you going to include six different civilizations to cover the history of a single region, with a relatively continuous timeline?

Maybe after enough expansions, yes. But for now, you let "Greek" represent the continuous history from 2000 BC to 1400 AD. The same way "Arab" can stand for Assyrian, Babylonian, and Sumerian civilizations from 4000 BC even to present day.

For the same reason, Phoecians can stand in for Carthage, for my humble tastes.

 

[dh_epic]

The Greek civilization should be renamed as 'Macedonian'.

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The Phoenicians never had an empire. Only Carthage had one, very late in Phoenician history. The Phoenician cities operated like Greek cities - they were city-states who did colonize other areas but didn't control those colonies directly.

Again, this is the kind of purism that you have to ignore as a matter of priority. You could say that the Greek, Hellenistic, Byzantine, Aegean, Minoan, and Macedonian civilizations are all very different. But are you going to include six different civilizations to cover the history of a single region, with a relatively continuous timeline?

Maybe after enough expansions, yes. But for now, you let "Greek" represent the continuous history from 2000 BC to 1400 AD. The same way "Arab" can stand for Assyrian, Babylonian, and Sumerian civilizations from 4000 BC even to present day.

For the same reason, Phoecians can stand in for Carthage, for my humble tastes.

 

[pki86]

the great admiral, admiral yi sun shin....the man that destroyed over 400 japanese ships with his 12 (including the infamous turtle ship, the first iron clad ships) of the JOseon dynasty during the Imjin war...

i think korea/joseon dynasty/koguryeo dynasty should be new civ.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Here are, in my opinion, all of the civilizations that should be in the game:

Americas- USA, Iroquois, Aztec, Maya, Inca

Europe- England, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Russia, Rome, Greece

Africa- Carthage, Mali, Zulu

Middle East- Ottoman, Arabia, Babylon, Persia

Asia- Mongolia, Japan, India, China

 

[SoCalian]

just slightly eurocentric there Iggy? It's ok, I would have the same list too, but with some additions.

Africa- Egypt ad Ethiopia. (no brainers there)

Middle East- Israel (no biggie if not, I would just like it)

Asia- Korea and Siam are the obvious ones. I would also like something in indonesia or the Philipenes. I would also like to see the Tartars or something similar to curb russian expansion.

 

[gianluca790]

South africa?

 

[gianluca790]

to be fair i think a civ from the pacific would be nice, Polynesia, With Hone Heke as leader. They are a intrest civilization, there unique unit could be a warrior mace guy with more defence so he could fight gunpowder units simply named Maori Warrior or a treeim called a waka with with ocean movement or 1 unit allowed on bord

One Word: Hawaii.

I think that the Caribbean should also be represented, for example by Cuba, Jamaica etc. Why aren't the Native Caribbean Islanders represented?

 

[gianluca790]

. Their biggest mistake was not adding Ukraine to the union, and instead treating it as a conquered land. This caused Cossacks to revolt in mid 17th century and ask Russia for help, resulting in swallowing Ukraine by Russia. And now Cossacks are commonly associated with Russia, not Ukraine, even thou they are the "true ukrainians".

I thought the Cossacks were from Kazakhstan?

 

[gianluca790]

The Boars aren't purely Dutch, they're also German spiked with French protestants.

Not to mention African blood.

 

[Nobody]

One Word: Hawaii.

I think that the Caribbean should also be represented, for example by Cuba, Jamaica etc. Why aren't the Native Caribbean Islanders represented?

Nah i think just a random Polynesian nation. If you wanna pick Hawaii then i say lets have Maori insted

 

[atreas]

2) It's funny Fireaxes made Alexander III, a Macedonian, the leader for the Greeks. Contemporaries didn't consider Macedonians as Greeks, and they weren't allowed to participate in the olypmics. The Greek civilization should be renamed as 'Macedonian'.

I don't know where you are reading history (because obviously you are not contemporary to this age). In fact, your history books need some correction - not to go much earlier in history, Alexander's father had won twice in the ancient Olympics, in the chariots.

 

[Col.D]

Austro-Hungarian Empire or Austrian Empire and the Prussians. Come on, 2 very significant European military civs.

Italy. Just another modern day civ.

USSR. Former superpower

Nazi state, a evil civ but still a huge one.

Celts. Ruled half of Europe, deserves a place as a civ.

 

[SoCalian]

stop sugesting redundant civs. Italy? covered by Rome. Prussians? covered by Germany. USSR? take a guess, covered by Russia. Nazi Germany? well, do I really have to spell it out for you? Celts and Austria-Hungary, are the only ones you suggest that aren't already covered, but if that's all you can come up with, then you need to start looking outside of your Euro-centric world view.