IglooDude said:Trust me, I never said that the Second Amendment is pointless.I just don't think it would have mattered much for the Jews in Nazi Germany. I do happen to think that it is a very useful safeguard in the US, and I try to do my part to help preserve that safeguard.
nonconformist said:
And obviously, I disagree. But, it is better to have them and end up losing anyway, than to not have them and have circumstances show that they would have been the difference, or that their absence helped bring about the coup in the first place.
True, but I think that the fact a coup would happen is dubious-no army in hell would readily follow such a thing without serious pre-conditioning, such as mass purges.IglooDude said:You're entitled to your opinion, of course.
Bain said:
Yeah right.Merzbow said:
Well, as far as I am concerned:nonconformist said:
Ahem...Taliesin said:Yeah, I hate those "Euros". Lurking in Madrid, and Athens, and Kiev, and Oslo, and Berlin, and Paderno, and Edinburgh, and Amsterdam, and Geneva, every corner of that tiny and undiverse continent, all of them united by a monolithic hatred of freedom and America.
Makaan said:
Makaan said:
Merzbow said:(Note to moderators - I debated posting this in Off-Topic, but it specifically discusses Civ4 and is meant to inspire intelligent discussion. Nevertheless I won't object if you find it too inflammatory and thus want to move the thread to Off-Topic. I would only object if the thread was closed/deleted instead - it's not a troll.)
The recent thread on Dan Quayle inspired me to list the ways in which Civ4 reflects a liberal bias. To wit:
1. Umm, Dan Quayle, of course. Yeah we all can laugh at him for his obvious Yogi Berrisms, but a far better choice would have been Jimmy Carter (who considered 'killer rabbits' more of a threat than the Soviet Union).
2. The all-powerful Civ4 UN. An obvious example of where the authors' biases led them to make decisions that have a severely negative impact on gameplay. In almost all other aspects Civ4 provides multiple paths to get where you want, with differing trade-offs. But if I'm playing an OCC game, say, and I'm voted out of Bureaucracy, I may as well quit. It certainly should be possible to violate UN resolutions, but with a cost, as there is in the real world. (To make it even more accurate they should put in votes for rotating leader of the UN Human Rights Commission, with the only two allowed candidates being Motezuma and Isabella.)
3. Let's make nuclear power plants useless by having them melt down every few turns. Anyone ever played a game with 10 or so cities, every one of which had a nuclear plant? Enough said. It's simple fact that modern nuclear plants are the safest and most reliable source of energy there is.
4. For even more laughs let's make the nuclear plant meltdowns cause global warming. There is no evidence that global warming is caused by any human activities at all. Whatever climate variations we see are explained far more robustly as just being part of the natural cycle. The false spectre of human-caused global warming is nothing more than an anti-capitalist political ploy.
5. Why FDR and no Ronald Reagan? They both defeated horrible enemies, and are both dead, but FDR gave us the legacy of New-Deal socialism while Reagan tried to reverse that trend.
6. Political correctness taken to the point of ridiculousness with the presence of Jewish missionaries and other religious incongruities. Either go all the way or don't. If you want to give us equal religions, then don't call them by their real-world names.
7. Fascism enabling the building of Mt. Rushmore. Moral relativism at its most disgusting - i.e. equating American patriotism with Fascism.
IglooDude said:You're entitled to your opinion, of course.
Oerdin said:Sometimes conservatives have their heads so far up their own ass you can't help but just laugh at them.
IT IS A GAME! It is not designed to conform with your personal political choices. Please get a life and stop listening to right wing talk radio.
CornMaster said:I'm going to be burned for this one I'm sure.
Universities have more left leaning and liberal people because most people in university are half smart. And can see that capitalism and unequality are bad.
Those outside are not, and are sheep who will follow whatever some dumbass leader promises them.
Now..I'm not saying everyone it university is right, or that you can't get smart or come to good ideas outside of university (or college) because I had most of my beliefs before I went to university. But three years of political science and philosophy study have cemented them.
Last I checked, Civ 4 was not a real world simulator either, so take it all with a grain of salt and have fun.
Merzbow said:On the other hand you can say that leftists like to flock to universities because they can't get anything done in the REAL world. Nothing is more appealing to the leftist than a life spent sitting around the faculty lounge or the college-town cafe whining about how the world is going to pot (and smoking it too).
Yeah, why bother learning stuff or thinking when there's work to be done? Arbeit Macht Frei!Merzbow said:On the other hand you can say that leftists like to flock to universities because they can't get anything done in the REAL world. Nothing is more appealing to the leftist than a life spent sitting around the faculty lounge or the college-town cafe whining about how the world is going to pot (and smoking it too).
Taliesin said:
Merzbow said:
I dunno where you're living, but the USSR doesn't exist anymore.Merzbow said:
Merzbow said:
Funnily enough, what I find more amusing are people who are willing to let their government a free hand to quell "treason" and "un0americanism", yet maintain that the government could opress themIglooDude said:Yes, it certainly seems to be a select few that understand that both the Patriot Act and gun bans are potential threats to civil liberties.
