[Vanilla] Civ6 Ranger

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

1. Is Civ6 Ranger graphically modelled after North American fur trappers of the mid 18th-mid 19th Century? Or they also modelled after 1849 Californian Gold Rush prospectors and Wildwest cowboys as well? Is his gun graphically 18th century Muzzle Loading Long Rifle?
2. What did they actually represents? Did they represents 18th Century Chasseurs, Cazadores, and Jagers as well as the anglophone Rangers which Firaxis pick the name. (particularly North American Rogers Rangers, whom turned out to be Loyalist in American Revolution War)? Or did they also represents Wildwest cowboys, prospectors, and American Civil War sharpshooters too? And did they also represent Boers Commandoes?

 

[cain3456]

You mean it's not modeled after Aragorn from LotR?

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Nah i'm talking about
1. Why rifling is required tech to train one. Of course rifled firearms are accurate and suits the jobs better but similiarly light infantry of the 18th Century (or maybe of 16th C.) rarely have access to it. (A muzzle loading rifle of that time is very expensive, that only social elites may buy ones.)
2. Did they also represents Chasseurs, Cazadores, Jagers, Sharpshoopters, or even 1740s Austrian Pandours too?

 

[8housesofelixir]

Why rifling is required tech to train one.

In an unrelated note, Ballistics is the required tech of the Cuirassier, which emerged earlier than the spread of muskets IRL - but the in-game Musketman is 2 techs earlier than Cuirassier, rather than later.

Sometimes the tech requirement is only loosely suits the corresponding unit, and historically speaking doesn't make that much sense.

Although I do think Ranger is based on cowboys or fur trappers - judging by that hat used on the in-game icon for the Ranger - and the devs just squeeze this unit in the Rifling tech.

 

[Zaarin]

Based on its appearance, I'd say yeah, the Ranger is based on trappers, voyageurs, and coureurs de bois.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

mmm And then what should be the name of Renaissance era Recon choices? Explorator? Explorer?

 

[Myomoto]

mmm And then what should be the name of Renaissance era Recon choices? Explorator? Explorer?

I don't think the great explorers of the Renaissance period warrant their own unit - I think they are perfectly fit as Great Admirals with some non-military retirement bonuses.

The current medieval Skirmisher seems appropriate (although it seems fairly useless). The recon units in general seem to be more focused towards stealth/spec-ops/snipers/reconnaissance than outright exploration

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ Mmmm they're more oriented to 'light infantry' tactics rather than explorations.
mmmm. some mod did Renaissance recons as well. (explorer or something that's akin to Conquistadores.. toned down conquistadors. a unit that IMAO is more associating to exploration because they're pretty much active mainly in Continental Americas (including what's now the US of A).
Personally Conquistadores should be 'recon' choice and should be represented with horses. they (re) introduced horse to Continental Americas (Civ5 civilopedia entry of Horses)
mm do you think Ranger should appear in Renaissance instead? and have 'rifleman' or 'sharpshooters' as Industrial recon choice?

 

[Myomoto]

^ Mmmm they're more oriented to 'light infantry' tactics rather than explorations.
mmmm. some mod did Renaissance recons as well. (explorer or something that's akin to Conquistadores.. toned down conquistadors. a unit that IMAO is more associating to exploration because they're pretty much active mainly in Continental Americas (including what's now the US of A).
Personally Conquistadores should be 'recon' choice and should be represented with horses. they (re) introduced horse to Continental Americas (Civ5 civilopedia entry of Horses)
mm do you think Ranger should appear in Renaissance instead? and have 'rifleman' or 'sharpshooters' as Industrial recon choice?

A sharpshooter would maybe make more sense in the Industrial era, yeah. They seem to have come to prominence around the Napoleonic wars.

 

[AriochIV]

The archetypal American woodsman of the 18th Century was armed with a Kentucky Rifle. It was not a weapon of the nobility.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

The archetypal American woodsman of the 18th Century was armed with a Kentucky Rifle. It was not a weapon of the nobility.

In Europe. Chasseurs and Jagers were more or less came from noblemen and armed with carbine lengh large bore rifles. while North American long rifles use smaller calibre but focus on barrel lenght to optimize maximum ammo.

 

[AriochIV]

In Europe. Chasseurs and Jagers were more or less came from noblemen and armed with carbine lengh large bore rifles. while North American long rifles use smaller calibre but focus on barrel lenght to optimize maximum ammo.

The Ranger is not an infantryman armed with a rifle, he's a scout armed with a rifle. Looking at the unit graphic again, it's more 19th Century Jim Bowie than 18th Century Daniel Boone, but it's definitely not meant to be a European rifle unit.

It would be nice if Civ VI didn't skip eras for infantry, but given how short the eras are, it's just as well.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ Meh but 'rangers' are default units and I've checked Asset Editor entries. there's only one body model (have suffix 'armor') and three headwears (one cowboy hat and two fur caps. one looks like what Maetel (Galaxy Express 999, a great manga and anime by Leiji Matsumoto) wears)

mmmm.
I'd like to see an era between Renaissance and Industrial. what should be its name.. Imperial or Enlightenment?? one might not agree with the term 'Enlightenment' either.

The term 'Ranger' isn't used by other Euro powers to refer to light infantry / foot recce units of the same time or slightly before that. There are variety of therms, the most common however are a translations of 'huntsman'... like Chasseurs, Cazadores, and Jagers.

http://img52.xooimage.com/views/0/5/9/chasseur_-c3-a0_pied_1860-251035a.jpg/
https://www.littlewars.se/spanish/lightinf12.jpg

If you think 'Ranger' is well placed in the Industrial era. what should be the name given to Renaissance recce unit?
'Chasseurs'? 'Jagers'? 'Hunter'? or what?

Is this the reasons why the term 'Ranger' is used in every localized versions?

 

[8housesofelixir]

I'd like to see an era between Renaissance and Industrial. what should be its name.. Imperial or Enlightenment?? one might not agree with the term 'Enlightenment' either.

In academia we call the ages between Renaissance (14-16 century) and Industrialization (19 century) as "Early Modern." (Historians are very mundane when naming eras.)

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ Then.
1. Should there be recce unit for Renaissance Era?
2. What should 'Early Modern' recce choice be? (Chasseur? Jager? or what?) should Ranger goes to this?
3. or remain in Industrial Era with rifling tech.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

The Ranger is not an infantryman armed with a rifle, he's a scout armed with a rifle. Looking at the unit graphic again, it's more 19th Century Jim Bowie than 18th Century Daniel Boone, but it's definitely not meant to be a European rifle unit.

It would be nice if Civ VI didn't skip eras for infantry, but given how short the eras are, it's just as well.

I did Googling 'Daniel Boone' as well
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/DanielBoone
Ranger also looks alot like Daniel Boone as well particularly with same raccoon fur cap. he wore this style of leather coat as well.
The unit icon is clearly Boone's fur cap.

 

[AriochIV]

This style of dress would be appropriate for a woodsman any time from the late eighteenth to early nineteenth century (except for the Stetson-style hat, which is very nineteenth century. But the telltale is the rifle. If you look closely, it's a nineteenth century percussion cap rifle, as opposed to an eighteenth century flintlock. Hence the unit's position in the tree.

While it would be cool if each category of unit had versions for each age, the ages would have to be a lot longer than they are now. As it is, units already become obsolete too quickly.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Yes I did notice that ranger rifle is percussion one. there's reason to choose this version though because making flintlock is poly heavy. (I'm also working on an Industrial era unit as well. also poly heavy, making a model), actually every 'flintlock' firearms in this game are abit anachronistic because if look closely they use percussion caps. this included french Charleville musket used by Imperial Guard . which by Napoleon Bonaparte days percussion caps weren't in much use. yet all firearms of that time can be converted that way.

Ranger gun is muzzleloader though. I might think they should be in the late renaissance era. and Industrial Era should be Sharpshooter. (with Wildwest looks in America, Aztec, Brazil, Aussie, they 'll use Winchester rifles like Rough Riders. And Euro Jaeger looks by English, French, Germans, Romans, Greeks, Japanese, they'll use needle gun)... what's your thoughts.?

 

[AriochIV]

Most rifles in the nineteenth century were muzzle-loaders. Bolt-action breech loaders didn't really come into common use until the latter half of the nineteenth century. One could argue that the graphics for the Redcoat and Garde Imperiale represent simplified versions of flintlocks, but I don't think that argument holds for the Ranger.

Unfortunately, Civ VI doesn't really model the flintlock era; the Renaissance era units use matchlock muskets, the Industrial era units (including Redcoat and Garde Imperiale) use muzzle-loading percussion cap muskets or rifles, and the Modern era units use bolt-action breech loading rifles.

 

[Galvatron]

Nah i'm talking about
1. Why rifling is required tech to train one. Of course rifled firearms are accurate and suits the jobs better but similiarly light infantry of the 18th Century (or maybe of 16th C.) rarely have access to it. (A muzzle loading rifle of that time is very expensive, that only social elites may buy ones.)

You're confused. The raisin rifles aren't used en mass for infantry is because they afew expensive yes, but more so they're far more difficult to use and operate. In this time period rifles are only used by elite units, and hunters... and when hunters fight in war they fight as partisans or rangers. Buccaneers are another example. They get their name from the smoked meat they make, and eventually pirates started recruiting then for their sharpshooting ability.

TL;DR: rangers are irregulars who fight as skirmishers and ambusher.