Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
I'm planning one, although it's still far off..
We all know you are lazy...
I'm planning one, although it's still far off..
Since I know next to nothing about modding and there are no mentions of Estonia or Ösel in the Official Civ V(not even a city state, seriously Reval should be there!) and the only mod is in beta stage I believe(for quite sometime now) and is modern Estonia and doesn't use any city names from medieval and older times or mention Öselians, Livonians or Livonia itself. I thought maybe someone more skilled could make something interesting.
Since they aren't really a household name, here is a brief introduction who the Öselians/Oeselians were.
The Oeselians or Osilians were a historical subdivision of Estonians inhabiting Saaremaa (Danish: Øsel; German: Ösel; Swedish: Ösel), an Estonian island in the Baltic Sea. They were first mentioned as early as the second century BC in Ptolemy's Geography III. The Oeselians were known in the Old Norse Icelandic Sagas and in Heimskringla as Víkingr frá Esthland (Estonian Vikings).Their sailing vessels were called pirate ships by Henry of Livonia in his Latin chronicles written at the beginning of the 13th century.
Perhaps the most famous raid by Oeselian pirates occurred in 1187, with the attack on the Swedish town of Sigtuna by Finnic raiders from Couronia and Oesel. Among the casualties of this raid was the Swedish archbishop Johannes. The city remained occupied for some time, contributing to its decline as a center of commerce in the 13th century and the rise of Uppsala, Visby, Kalmar and Stockholm. The Livonian Chronicle describes the Oeselians as using two kinds of ships, the piratica and the liburna. The former was a warship, the latter mainly a merchant ship. A piratica could carry approximately 30 men and had a high prow shaped like a dragon or a snakehead and a rectangular sail. Viking-age treasures from Estonia mostly contain silver coins and bars. Saaremaa has the richest finds of Viking treasures after Gotland in Sweden. This strongly suggests that Estonia was an important transit country during the Viking era.
The superior god of Oeselians as described by Henry of Livonia was called Tharapita. According to the legend in the chronicle Tharapita was born on a forested mountain in Virumaa (Latin: Vironia), mainland Estonia from where he flew to Oesel, (Saaremaa) The name Taarapita has been interpreted as "Taara, help!"/"Thor, help!" (Taara a(v)ita in Estonian) or "Taara keeper"/"Thor keeper" (Taara pidaja) Taara is associated with the Scandinavian god Thor. The story of Tharapita's or Taara's flight from Vironia to Saaremaa has been associated with a major meteor disaster estimated to have happened in 660 ± 85 BC that formed Kaali crater in Saaremaa.
Also singing is not important for only modern Estonians! The earliest mention of Estonian singing dates back to Saxo Grammaticus Gesta Danorum (ca. 1179).Saxo speaks of Estonian warriors who sang at night while waiting for a battle!
I think a Civ incorporating Öselians and medieval Estonia & Livonia could be interesting, especially since for the most part it would be almost completely untouched subject so far in Civ!
Most modders prefer to make Lithuania, seemingly.
No, Estonians, Öselians(now "Saarlased") and Livonians are(were in their case..) Finnic! Both Linguistically and culturally completely different!Nooo... both are Baltic...
Indeed, but this is true only when talking geopolitcally, we have only somewhat similar history of being ruled over by largely the same powers with Latvia, and basically nothing in common with Lithuania(except the Soviet Occupation). But we are brothers to Finns. Also Germany, Sweden, and Denmark have influenced our culture and language a lot, seemingly much more than Latvian or Lithuanian, probably cause it was more compatible to begin with!Well, you are considered one of the three Baltic states, and that is what I meant.
What about Russia?
We have somewhat nice historical relationship with Denmark indeed! They gave the name for our modern capital, we "gave" them their flag, which is considered by some sources the first national flag and is the basis for all other Nordic flags(Nordic cross).I find it interesting that Estonia has had more interaction with us Scandinavians than Lithuania or Latvia. After all, those countries are located closer to Denmark, which is historically the most powerful of the Scandinavian countries. I guess it has to do with the Hansa trade, but why were they interested in Estonia?
Well, now interaction between at least Lithuanians and Scandinavians has increased, what with all the Lithuanian immigrants we have here in Norway.