Civilization Wishlist for Civ VII

[Murloc777]

When will Switzerland finally appear in civilization? Even in the wishlist of players there is no this country.

 

[Kimiimaro]

I suppose I could throw some random ideas of mine here...

If we trade three non-Byzantine Greek leaders on the peninsula for one (not necessarily Alexander - I'd be fine to get the city-state cluster portrayal back even with one city-state leader like Solon or Leonidas), could we get a Slavic kingdom in the Balkans? Serbian or Bulgarian Empire would be ideal. We'd be opening a new, yet untouched fun box of civs.

Speaking of this area of the world - Justinian has rested for two games, so he may well return - though I've still yet untouched peferences. For more ancient Byzantium, it would be Herakleitos, for medieval one, a Komnenos - either Alexios I or Ioannes II or Manuel I.

Manuel I I'd also like leading Portugal. Maybe some fun achievement potential if both Byzantium and Portugal get Manuel I? .

I'm all for Armenia. Scythian themes taught me that there is never enough duduk.

China, for all its long history, has seen mere three leaders used in Civ - Mao, Wu Zetian and Qin Shi Huang. Four if you count Kublai Khan. I believe Civ VII could utilise a Han, Song, Ming or Qing Emperor for a change - it's not like any of the dynasties is lacking one good emperor to represent it. I'm for the Yongle Emperor of Ming.

Bohemia I'd welcome with open arms. I'm a Czech, so I might be biased .

My dream of Menelik II becoming the leader of Ethiopia has been fulfilled, so I'll be fine with older leader. If not Axumite, then medieval. Zara Yaqob can make a return.

If we don't get Cardinal Richelieu or my desired Napoleon III as the leader of France, can we get a French king wrapped in a beautiful dark blue cape with golden lilies? We desperately need that. If we go for Louis XIV, we could get extra hermine befitting his regal magnificence .

One post-colonial Civ other than the US would suffice next time .

And, finally, I'd be happy to learn something new about Burma through their inclusion in the game .

 

[Zaarin]

Bohemia I'd welcome with open arms. I'm a Czech, so I might be biased .

I'm not Czech, and I went Bohemia as much as you do.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If we trade three non-Byzantine Greek leaders on the peninsula for one (not necessarily Alexander - I'd be fine to get the city-state cluster portrayal back even with one city-state leader like Solon or Leonidas), could we get a Slavic kingdom in the Balkans? Serbian or Bulgarian Empire would be ideal. We'd be opening a new, yet untouched fun box of civs.

Serbia would have to come with an achievement where you have to get Austria and their allies to declare war on you, and your allies to declare war on Austria.

One post-colonial Civ other than the US would suffice next time .

I mean if we only get one it will guaranteed to be Pedro II returning from Brazil.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Serbia would have to come with an achievement where you have to get Austria and their allies to declare war on you, and your allies to declare war on Austria.

Make Sarajevo a city-state and we can talk

Speaking of city-states, can we get city-state jingles back?

I mean if we only get one it will guaranteed to be Pedro II returning from Brazil.

I don't necessarily mind that, provided we get Civ V-like portrayal of him as of respectable gentleman rather than that jerk he is in Civ VI, and Brazil gets a bit more measured theme again

 

[Zaarin]

Serbia would have to come with an achievement where you have to get Austria and their allies to declare war on you, and your allies to declare war on Austria.

Gunshot Heard Around the World: While Russia is suzerain of Sarajevo and allied with France, have Sarajevo declare war on Austria, Germany, or the Ottomans and follow up with a protectorate war.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Speaking of city-states, can we get city-state jingles back?

I'd also like diplomatic backgrounds for them similar to the backgrounds for Civ 6 leaders.

I don't necessarily mind that, provided we get Civ V-like portrayal of him as of respectable gentleman rather than that jerk he is in Civ VI, and Brazil gets a bit more measured theme again

Unpopular opinion: I'd like Australia to return and would pick them over Brazil.

 

[REDY]

What appeals me most is Romania in the list and the Vlad Impaler as a leader

 

[Phrozen]

Base Game:

America: Calvin Coolidge. Expansionist with production/economic subtheme.
Arabia: Abd ibn Malik al-Marwan. Religious with military subtheme.
China: Taizong of Tang. Cultural with expansionist subtheme.
Chola: Rajaraja Chola. Naval with economic subtheme.
Denmark: Canute the Great. Raiding with trade subtheme.
Egypt: Khufu. Wonder builder with compact cities subtheme.
England: Henry V. Production with cultural subtheme.
Ethiopia: Menelik II. Defensive with religious subtheme.
France: Phillip Augustus. Military with cultural subtheme.
Germany: Otto I. Culture with expansionist subtheme.
Greece: Pericles. Science with defensive subtheme.
Inca: Huayna Capac. Expansionist with infrastructure subtheme.
Japan: Ito Hirobumi. Culture with military subtheme.
Maya: Lady K'abel. Science with religious subtheme.
Maratha: Tarabai. Defensive with religious subtheme.
Mongols: Genghis Khan. Military with expansionist subtheme.
Persia: Khosrow I. Expansionist with cultural subtheme.
Rome: Vespasian. Expansionist with military subtheme.
Russia: Ivan the Great. Expansionist with religious subtheme.
Salish: Chief Si'ahl. Trade with cultural subtheme.
Sumeria: Sargon. Military with infrastructure subtheme.

 

[Leucarum]

Assuming that we will have modern civs (as America isn't going anywhere and they probably don't want them to be the sole post-colonial anachronism in the ancient era...) Which modern civs would people be either least offended by or welcome with open arms (depending on your view of post-colonial civs in the game)?

I enjoyed the gameplay they gave both Australia and Canada - though the theme of Canada was cringe central. Brazil and Gran Colombia have abilities which make sense thematically but I don't enjoy playing them...

I guess I'd like to see some rotation among modern South American nations - and for Australia and Canada to become evergreen civs... But to try and reduce the meme-ness. I doubt that's a super popular opinion. But if America exists in the game I don't think they should be the only post colonial state... And I can't see america going anywhere

 

[Zaarin]

Assuming that we will have modern civs (as America isn't going anywhere and they probably don't want them to be the sole post-colonial anachronism in the ancient era...) Which modern civs would people be either least offended by or welcome with open arms (depending on your view of post-colonial civs in the game)?

I enjoyed the gameplay they gave both Australia and Canada - though the theme of Canada was cringe central. Brazil and Gran Colombia have abilities which make sense thematically but I don't enjoy playing them...

I guess I'd like to see some rotation among modern South American nations - and for Australia and Canada to become evergreen civs... But to try and reduce the meme-ness. I doubt that's a super popular opinion. But if America exists in the game I don't think they should be the only post colonial state... And I can't see america going anywhere

For me, Australia is by far the most offensive. I think Lichtenstein or Monaco would have been more exciting, and I definitely don't want Lichtenstein or Monaco in the game. If we have to have two, then I think Brazil is the next logical choice; if we have to have three, I'd find a New France-focused Canada acceptable. Personally, though, I don't think nation-states have any place in the game except in market-pandering.

But if America exists in the game I don't think they should be the only post colonial state... And I can't see america going anywhere

Why not, though? While I'd blithely eliminate America, its situation is certainly unique; no other postcolonial nation has become a world power on the tier that America has. Plus America has become culturally distinct from its mother country in a way, say, Australia hasn't. (Not saying the latter isn't true of other postcolonial nations; Spanish America, Brazil, and Canada all have pretty good arguments for cultural distinction. However, of them only Brazil has outshone its mother country the way the US has, and only Brazil comes close to matching the US as a world power. I'd much rather have Mexica than Mexico, Muisca than Gran Colombia, Inca than Peru, Cree than Canada, etc.) TL;DR: While I don't need America as a civ, I'm very okay with it being the only postcolonial civ since heaven knows we can't get rid of it.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Assuming that we will have modern civs (as America isn't going anywhere and they probably don't want them to be the sole post-colonial anachronism in the ancient era...) Which modern civs would people be either least offended by or welcome with open arms (depending on your view of post-colonial civs in the game)?

I enjoyed the gameplay they gave both Australia and Canada - though the theme of Canada was cringe central. Brazil and Gran Colombia have abilities which make sense thematically but I don't enjoy playing them...

I guess I'd like to see some rotation among modern South American nations - and for Australia and Canada to become evergreen civs... But to try and reduce the meme-ness. I doubt that's a super popular opinion. But if America exists in the game I don't think they should be the only post colonial state... And I can't see america going anywhere

I'm not at all offended by the ones we have currently. I do think the five that we got are fine and shouldn't get anymore though, at least not until we get other civs, such as something from the Maghreb, splitting Mughals from India, more than one tribe from North America etc,

That being said America is here to stay and so is Brazil which is fine. I also agree about Australia due to it's location and it does have some of the best gameplay in the game.

Gran Colombia is a great civ but I wouldn't mind seeing Argentina next game, and they could easily rotate with the possibility of Mexico in the future. Canada is probably here to stay too but I wouldn't mind them being replaced by Haiti, if they really want to make one post-colonial Francophone civ.

For me, Australia is by far the most offensive. I think Lichtenstein or Monaco would have been more exciting, and I definitely don't want Lichtenstein or Monaco in the game. If we have to have two, then I think Brazil is the next logical choice; if we have to have three, I'd find a New France-focused Canada acceptable.

Considering we also got the Cree, I'm kind of surprised they did ended up giving us Canada. Though to differentiate them I'm not surprised they went more modern with the design. That being said if they did went with New France Canada, I'd much rather it be the Cree again, or any other native group involved in the fur trade, such as the Iroquois.

Why not, though? While I'd blithely eliminate America, its situation is certainly unique; no other postcolonial nation has become a world power on the tier that America has. Plus America has become culturally distinct from its mother country in a way, say, Australia hasn't.

I didn't know kangaroos, koalas, and emus ran around England?

I'd much rather have Mexica than Mexico, Muisca than Gran Colombia, Inca than Peru, Cree than Canada, etc.) TL;DR: While I don't need America as a civ, I'm very okay with it being the only postcolonial civ since heaven knows we can't get rid of it.

I mean I can agree with this as well. Then again I'd love for some of them to co-exist too.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Base Game:

America: Calvin Coolidge. Expansionist with production/economic subtheme.
Arabia: Abd ibn Malik al-Marwan. Religious with military subtheme.
China: Taizong of Tang. Cultural with expansionist subtheme.
Chola: Rajaraja Chola. Naval with economic subtheme.
Denmark: Canute the Great. Raiding with trade subtheme.
Egypt: Khufu. Wonder builder with compact cities subtheme.
England: Henry V. Production with cultural subtheme.
Ethiopia: Menelik II. Defensive with religious subtheme.
France: Phillip Augustus. Military with cultural subtheme.
Germany: Otto I. Culture with expansionist subtheme.
Greece: Pericles. Science with defensive subtheme.
Inca: Huayna Capac. Expansionist with infrastructure subtheme.
Japan: Ito Hirobumi. Culture with military subtheme.
Maya: Lady K'abel. Science with religious subtheme.
Maratha: Tarabai. Defensive with religious subtheme.
Mongols: Genghis Khan. Military with expansionist subtheme.
Persia: Khosrow I. Expansionist with cultural subtheme.
Rome: Vespasian. Expansionist with military subtheme.
Russia: Ivan the Great. Expansionist with religious subtheme.
Salish: Chief Si'ahl. Trade with cultural subtheme.
Sumeria: Sargon. Military with infrastructure subtheme.

Just one quibble that leaps out (blame a degree in Classics!): Periclean Athens really wasn't much about either Science or Defense: the Athens he presided over was as Expansionist as any polis in Greece - it's what got them into the Peloponnesian War, after all. There was no particular flowering of science under him, rather a massive program of cultural building - among others, most of the structures now on the Acropolis including the Parthenon and Athens' preeminence as the cultural capital of Greece dates from the 'Periclean Golden Age'.

So, just for an outlier and a 'Scientific Greek' ruler, I suggest Dionysius of Syracuse. Syracuse over in Magna Graeca/Sicily was the largest Greek-speaking city in the world and Dionysius in particular sponsored a science/engineering establishment that cranked out practical applications of Science like the crossbow, the catapult, and the quinquereme warship. Stretching a bit, Dionysius's heirs Dion and Dionysius II invited Plato to Syracuse to try setting up his 'ideal republic' (which turned out to be as impractical as any other philosophical government ever tried) so there's even a connection with 'pure' science.

So, may I suggest two alternatives, either one of which would be, IMHO, better:

Greece: Pericles, Cultural with expansionist subtheme
Greece: Dionysius, Science with defensive subtheme

 

[Xandinho]

Well, I think America and Brazil are the ones that make the most sense because they're the ones that stand out the most in general. America is the world superpower in many ways: economic, military, cultural, scientific, diplomatic... So I think America is probably on the same level as any other historical superpower. And then Brazil, which is an economic power, is culturally rich and unique and is the biggest leader in Latin America, in addition to having its own monarchical history. Maybe I'm just being biased here.
For a third modern nation I'd choose a Latin Spanish one, just so there is no overcrowding of Anglophone nations.

 

[Zaarin]

Considering we also got the Cree, I'm kind of surprised they did ended up giving us Canada. Though to differentiate them I'm not surprised they went more modern with the design. That being said if they did went with New France Canada, I'd much rather it be the Cree again, or any other native group involved in the fur trade, such as the Iroquois.

Yeah, considering the Cree are precisely how I'd have designed Canada, it just seemed so obvious they were the Canada stand-in...until we got Canada anyway. I think it's obvious I'd prefer the Cree or Huron to represent Canada rather than New France, but if we're going to get Canada an emphasis on its French colonial period is preferable to me over its modern nation-state hockey-and-Mounties-and-snow-Oh-Canada meme incarnation. That would obviously exclude the Huron, Cree, and possibly even Iroquois in design space--but that's okay because there are plenty of other Native Americans, like the Powhatan, Choctaw, or Tlingit that I'd love to see anyway.

I didn't know kangaroos, koalas, and emus ran around England?

Fine. If Australia is led by Wally the Wallaby and has a Kangaroo Lancer unique unit and a Vegemite Factory unique building with a Shrimp on the Barbie as its civ symbol (any offensive stereotypes I left out? ) then by all means include them. As an April Fool's Day joke, ideally. While geography is part of culture, moving a culture to a new geography does not automatically make it a new culture, and while Australia certainly has its own cultural distinctions, I wouldn't say they're any greater than some of the subcultures you can find within England itself because cultures are not monolithic.

 

[Leucarum]

Plus America has become culturally distinct from its mother country in a way, say, Australia hasn't.

I guess it defends on what quantum of distinction you demand to claim a distinct culture. I'm could see people arguing that the entire anglosphere is still one culture or that all of the cultures are distinct depending on where on the line people fall...

It does seem to me that if we have civs which emerged or fell in multiple time periods spanned by the game, then having just one modern-only civ is a bit odd. Ancient era England or France is only more anachronistic than ancient era Australia by a matter of degrees...

That being said America is here to stay and so is Brazil which is fine.

Brazil, which is an economic power, is culturally rich and unique and is the biggest leader in Latin America

I expect Brazil is a feature now. My big question would be whether the desire for Portugal over Brazil from a lot of the community would shift the order in which the two appear...

 

[Phrozen]

Expansion Pack I (Gods & Guns)

Aztec: Montezuma I. Religious with a raid subtheme.
Comanche: Quanah Parker. Raiding with a trade subtheme.
Malay: Mansur Shah. Trade with a religious subtheme.
Spain: Isabella. Military with a religious subtheme.
Turks: Mehmed II. Military with a capital infrastructure subtheme.
Sweden: Charles XII. Military with a religious subtheme.
Songhai: Sunni Ali. Expansionist with a religious subtheme.

 

[Sirsquier]

Expansion Pack I (Gods & Guns)

Aztec: Montezuma I. Religious with a raid subtheme.
Comanche: Quanah Parker. Raiding with a trade subtheme.
Malay: Mansur Shah. Trade with a religious subtheme.
Spain: Isabella. Military with a religious subtheme.
Turks: Mehmed II. Military with a capital infrastructure subtheme.
Sweden: Charles XII. Military with a religious subtheme.
Songhai: Sunni Ali. Expansionist with a religious subtheme.

A my favorite Swedish King...

 

[Zaarin]

I guess it defends on what quantum of distinction you demand to claim a distinct culture. I'm could see people arguing that the entire anglosphere is still one culture or that all of the cultures are distinct depending on where on the line people fall...

It does seem to me that if we have civs which emerged or fell in multiple time periods spanned by the game, then having just one modern-only civ is a bit odd. Ancient era England or France is only more anachronistic than ancient era Australia by a matter of degrees...

I'm not worried about anachronism; it's part and parcel of the Civ franchise. I'm worried about bloating the civ roster with boring 20th century civs to pander to emerging gaming markets. I personally don't feel any need for balance; I'd much rather overstock the Ancient, Classical, and Medieval eras with a handful of Early Modern civs, a few Industrial civs, and as few Modern civs as we can get away with. Modern civs could be eliminated entirely by choosing an Early Modern American leader like Washington or Adams...

 

[Leucarum]

I'm not worried about anachronism; it's part and parcel of the Civ franchise. I'm worried about bloating the civ roster with boring 20th century civs to pander to emerging gaming markets. I personally don't feel any need for balance; I'd much rather overstock the Ancient, Classical, and Medieval eras with a handful of Early Modern civs, a few Industrial civs, and as few Modern civs as we can get away with. Modern civs could be eliminated entirely by choosing an Early Modern American leader like Washington or Adams...

Fair enough, I guess I tend to think if it nets firaxis more profit and if that gets pumped into making civ a better game then pander away. A lot of ifs there though...

Plus I have enjoyed the gameplay of a lot of the modern civs they added...