Class action lawsuit

[grimz]

The PDF manual sucks. I can't stand reading manuals like that are in electronic form. They should have just put it in a plaingtext formatted document instead if that's what they wanted to do.

Also, they spend so much money on this game - what's an extra 50c/copy to include jewel case? or a few $ to make a printed manual?

 

[IATyco]

The last time someone tried something similar in another site for another game, it logically created a great uproar. The result? The resignation of several mods disgusted at the community, the site got blacklisted by the developer, and the site's reputation goes down the drain. In the end only about 10 people really support the action.

 

[Ravenlock]

By the way, after several hours of work, I finally got Civ4 working on one of my machines. I must've experienced half the bugs named on the tech support forum. I'm afraid I'll be too busy playing to attend to my class action lawsuit - someone else will have to take over. I still think someone should hang for letting this game get shipped. I have no doubt there are a plethora of bugs awaiting me, but at least the game runs... only took me 3 hours.

Bolded for comedy gold.

 

[SidSmurf]

I vote no along with 86% of you. I can't believe this thread has 10 pages! I hate to add to it, and bump it on top of that, but just had to throw my 2 cents in. Hell, compared to the Temple of Elemental Evil, this game is rock-solid reliable!

 

[Mujadaddy]

I saw that, too, Ravenlock... Funny how he doesn't say WHAT he tweaked to get the game working...

 

[Sadan01]

I saw that, too, Ravenlock... Funny how he doesn't say WHAT he tweaked to get the game working...

He probably turned his computer on...

 

[zeeter]

Back in the day we used to spend hours getting our pc's to run the newest games. They were tested on the developer's PC, and that's about it. I used to have three or four different boot disks that I used to play various games. The difference today is that people are no longer willing to accept that their computer needs to be upgraded if they wish to play the newest games. It's the whole "not my fault" mentality that's out there. The game didn't work on my PC when I first got it. I had to upgrade my memory and even then the video was choppy. Went out and got a new video card. Happily playing Civ4 now. Not mad at the publisher or the developers.
You know, if this game doesn't work on your PC, and it's not due to an actual bug like the apparent ATI bug that SOME people (not all) are experiencing, you had to know that you were about due for an upgrade, anyway. You had to know, like I did, that you were pretty close to the minimum requirements. And what kind of game player today doesn't know what minimum requirements means? It means "we got this to run on a system like this. You might be able to as well, but here's the recommended specs just in case."

 

[Mujadaddy]

He probably turned his computer on...

OMG I am laughing so hard I'm crying!!! ahahahahahaha

 

[grimz]

Well I've packed up the game in its box with the excuse for packaging and documentation it came with. Hopefully FutureShop will be nice enough to let me return the game and I'll pick up AoE3, and I'll be quitting these forums for good then.

thanks for putting up with my whining - hope you guys get the game to work out for you!

I, unfortunately, do not have the patience that many of you have; and really do insist on having a proper manual to come with a strategy game.

good luck guys!

 

[Colonel]

Well I've packed up the game in its box with the excuse for packaging and documentation it came with. Hopefully FutureShop will be nice enough to let me return the game and I'll pick up AoE3, and I'll be quitting these forums for good then.

thanks for putting up with my whining - hope you guys get the game to work out for you!

I, unfortunately, do not have the patience that many of you have; and really do insist on having a proper manual to come with a strategy game.

good luck guys!

AOE3 requires more out of a computer then Civ4 so AOE3 wont work if Civ didnt

 

[neriana]

I vote no along with 86% of you. I can't believe this thread has 10 pages! I hate to add to it, and bump it on top of that, but just had to throw my 2 cents in. Hell, compared to the Temple of Elemental Evil, this game is rock-solid reliable!

Heh, not exactly the standard I'd like to hold companies to .

You could get your money back, probably. But the only way you could get more than that is if it was like Pool of Radiance and erased Windows. Remember, it could always be worse.

 

[Sadan01]

Well I've packed up the game in its box with the excuse for packaging and documentation it came with. Hopefully FutureShop will be nice enough to let me return the game and I'll pick up AoE3, and I'll be quitting these forums for good then.

thanks for putting up with my whining - hope you guys get the game to work out for you!

I, unfortunately, do not have the patience that many of you have; and really do insist on having a proper manual to come with a strategy game.

good luck guys!

Well that's your choice grimz. You are perfectly entitled to take the game back and I do hope you get a refund or are allowed to exchange to AoE3. Maybe in the coming months you may pickup Civ4 again as the product matures.

Good Luck

 

[grimz]

oh my computer is more than capable of running Civ. Civ doesn't run well because it's buggy and there's no instruction manual.

 

[grimz]

Thanks Sadan,

I may be back here in a month or so (or if FutureShop somehow doesn't let me return the game)

I'm hoping things will be patched and I'll get a copy of a the printed manual by then.

goodbye peoples!

 

[Dracleath]

Don't talk to me about "the good old days" of gaming. When I was younger, you bought a game and it worked and it was free of bugs. Times change, software has to be rushed, and a few bugs get in... I can understand that. I can appreciate a company wanting to make some sacrifices when it's more cost effective to wait and see if problems pop up, than to test and retest every possible scenario. But if a program is going to do anything, it had better be able to execute. We've accepted lower standards already, we accept that software comes chock full of bugs and that it's partly the paying customer's responsibility to fix them by pursuing the patch. But since when do we accept software that doesn't necessarily work at all? You've been around the computer world a long time, and this doesn't offend you? If we're paying money for a program that won't necessarily operate, then how long before we're paying money for a program that doesn't necessarily exist or have any promise of being written? As many technical hurdles as there may be in creating a video game, I guarantee that technologies like DirectX and XML are making the developer's jobs easier, not harder. These should not be pointed to as the causes of fatal bugs.

LOL


2 words: Conventional memory. A good quarter of the games I bought between 1985 and 1995 wouldn't work without me sitting around for 2 or 3 hours making a boot disk for that reason alone.

Not to mention when you had to run with no sound because you weren't 100% sound blaster compatible or somesuch.

Ever play the initial release of Master of Magic or Master of orion 2? With the not working skills or the crashes that came from making your name too long? Remember the bugs with trade routes in Colonization that haven't actually been fixed 10 years later?

Remember Daggerfall? Remember Fallout 2?

Remember US navy fighters running at like 15 frames per second on the fastest computers availible of the day?

Or maybe you don't remember all of that because you are in fact talking out of your rear.

 

[wit>trope]

don't know about those games but Wizardry 8, the company is an honest one. You could email SAVED GAMES to them and they would fix them for you (manual says that and reviews say that) -- you could still do it now except they don't exist anymore. No other company today does that. They are all greedy.

 

[SidSmurf]

What was wrong with Fallout 2? I couldn't find it until they boxed it with #1 however, so it was probably patched by then... 2 of my favorite games EVER!

 

[Dracleath]

Release was really buggy, was patched pretty well eventually though.

 

[neriana]

don't know about those games but Wizardry 8, the company is an honest one. You could email SAVED GAMES to them and they would fix them for you (manual says that and reviews say that) -- you could still do it now except they don't exist anymore. No other company today does that. They are all greedy.

Wizardry 8 was in development for so long, it had a vanishingly small amount of bugs when it was released. Not normal then or now -- and it still had a couple gamestoppers for people who did unexpected things, and more minor bugs. Further, their incredible customer service was not the norm then either, unfortunately. Thinking all game companies were like that is like thinking all dancers were Fred Astaire. Wasn't so.

Fallout 2, now THOSE were some bugs. . Fallout had/has plenty too. MoO2 still crashes on me pretty frequently. I remember all the boot disk/ soundblaster problems too.

 

[Fredric Drum]

Just a general comment, not related to a particular game. It's a fact that software houses release defective/unfinished products and get away with it, over and over again, and somehow that doesn't feel 'right'. In no other industry can you do that, or you'll be out of business very soon. It's not an acceptable practice anywhere except for the gaming industry.

So if anyone wants to do something about it, go right ahead... I'm too lazy myself