Homie
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Talking about ignorance, you should take a look in the mirror. You're like the poster-boy for Political Correctnessblackheart said:
. Who cares about the obvious truth, lets all say what makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Clearing up misconceptions about Islam ( the religion ) , and a request . . . . . .
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. Who cares about the obvious truth, lets all say what makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside.
blackheart
unenlightened
Homie said:Talking about ignorance, you should take a look in the mirror. You're like the poster-boy for Political Correctness
Who cares about being an ignorant bigot, let's just see being tolerant is for people who are full of themselves and can't accept my version of the truth which obviously has little basis in reality?
. You are like a new age hippy, anti-establishment (political correctness in this instance) but no clue as to why you're doing and or what's it really about. You're just there because its a counter-trend.
Homie
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And you seem to put words in my mouth, which is infact - so you.black said:
blackheart
unenlightened
Homie said:
Let's stop this personal war. You're saying that by trying to view Islam with an open mind and not immediately generalizing or stereotyping Muslims as extremists who would "kick the infidel's asses", is being politically correct, whereas I am saying that it isn't political correctness, its tolerance.
Homie
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Wow, you couldn't have been further from the truth. You just described the complete opposite of me.blackheart said:Who cares about being an ignorant bigot, let's just see being tolerant is for people who are full of themselves and can't accept my version of the truth which obviously has little basis in reality?
We'll chat when you grow out of this phase of yours.
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Homie
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Homie
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What I am saying is that we should in fact view Islam with an open mind, because then we would see it for what it really is, a religion bent on conquering the world by force. Both the texts of Islam and the people following it show us this. The PC thing is to try to rationalize this away and ignore the truth because the truth regarding this matter is taboo.
Why is it taboo? Because of Europe/White man's recent (last centuries) success in dominating the world militarily, economically and scientifically we have scarred many other peoples and cultures, so today we feel like we shouldn't criticize anyone with a different skin color or culture because that would be "racist" or "intolerant". It is pathetic I know, but it is the way today's western people subconsciously think. That is the root of Political Correctness way of thought. Strongly re-inforced by the leftist media I might add.
Why is it taboo? Because of Europe/White man's recent (last centuries) success in dominating the world militarily, economically and scientifically we have scarred many other peoples and cultures, so today we feel like we shouldn't criticize anyone with a different skin color or culture because that would be "racist" or "intolerant". It is pathetic I know, but it is the way today's western people subconsciously think. That is the root of Political Correctness way of thought. Strongly re-inforced by the leftist media I might add.
plarq
Crazy forever
Why do you have to divide them as "bad" muslims and "good" muslims? There've been three kind of people:violent, anti-violent and "I don't care" styled. Most of people don't care. Those who care about these ideas often stand on the higher level of the social pyramid.
The dynamics is pretty dependent on the two minorities, the violent and anti-violent. With a small and insignificant advantage on the violent side, people in Muslim world who disagree with fundies and violence would feel uncomfortable in their home countries more than their compatriots, which leads to a higher emigration of the peace wing. (IMO those who can affect other people's attitude are "elites", and easier to move out of their countries if they want) While the violent wing "elites" tend to stay in their home countries because they like this atomsphere.
And the snowball effect makes those country less and less tolerent and anti-violence, and more vulnerable towards fundamentalism and extremism. This gives excuses for Western intolerence and discrimination upon ALL muslims, and peaceful muslims are in the situation of sandwich from both sides.
The dynamics is pretty dependent on the two minorities, the violent and anti-violent. With a small and insignificant advantage on the violent side, people in Muslim world who disagree with fundies and violence would feel uncomfortable in their home countries more than their compatriots, which leads to a higher emigration of the peace wing. (IMO those who can affect other people's attitude are "elites", and easier to move out of their countries if they want) While the violent wing "elites" tend to stay in their home countries because they like this atomsphere.
And the snowball effect makes those country less and less tolerent and anti-violence, and more vulnerable towards fundamentalism and extremism. This gives excuses for Western intolerence and discrimination upon ALL muslims, and peaceful muslims are in the situation of sandwich from both sides.
plarq
Crazy forever
@sysyphus: I don't think it's based on facts of Muslim world. My analyze is based on my experience of political dynamics in China, and I think the snowball effect is a curse on third world countries.Any unbalance would lead to a expel of disagreeing elites, and lead to extremism. Unlike situation in rich countries, where elites have too many domestic interests to give up.
Japanrocks12
tired of being a man
What characterizes religions is not what occurs in the years after they are founded. Islam taught of capitulation to what is divine - Allah. Several posters here would like to accept that it indoctrinates perpetual war, and several others would like to claim that Islam entails centuries of peace.
Neither viewpoint is true. Islam is surrendering to a divine authority. Even the etymology clues us into this. The word Islam means to surrender, and a Muslim is one who surrenders. Drill this into your head.
Neither viewpoint is true. Islam is surrendering to a divine authority. Even the etymology clues us into this. The word Islam means to surrender, and a Muslim is one who surrenders. Drill this into your head.
Homie
Anti-Lefty
You promptly ignored the words "by force"Capulet said:
Homie said:
Japanrocks12
tired of being a man
Homie said:
The force of compulsion is a force.
If I were to compel fifty people to convert to my religion, then I would be using force.
Homie
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That's because way too many people are infected by this way of thought in the West.Capulet said:
Homie
Anti-Lefty
You know what I meant, so why bother acting the fool and playing the game of semantics? Do you get pleasure out of seeing a debate get nowhere?Japanrocks12 said:
Moderator Action: I suggest you ignore people rather than trolling in this manner.
Homie
Anti-Lefty
But not surprisingly, you live in the Western world, and that is not their home terf (yet). Try moving to Iran and preaching your tolerance views on gay marriage, or better yet - share the good news of the gospel with them. Then you'll see if they don't pull a gun to your head.Renata said:
Besides, when their books Koran and Hadith clearly say what they do, why would you need to know muslims to know Islam. Because this thread is not suppose to be about muslim people, but rather about misconceptions about the religion Islam.
Japanrocks12
tired of being a man
Homie said:
If you want to imply something, then word it in a way such that laity can understand it. It does not take a person versed in semantics to understand that force can mean a great deal of things.
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