Come on already, Iran!

[Little Raven]

You can't blame Iran for jumping for nukes. We've made it quite clear that they are on the short list of countries to be knocked over, and the handling of Iraq demonstrated that once we've decided a country is going down, nothing they say or do will stop us from dropping a load of shock and awe on their ass.

However, our treatment of North Korea also demonstrated that if you have nuclear weapons, you can say or do anything you like and we'll accommodate you however we can.

So Iran has no choice. Either they join the nuclear club now, while the US is tied down in Iraq, or their country gets bombed back into the stone age once we go looking for a new target. It's a dangerous game, but right now, its the only game in town.

I can't imagine any responsible Iranian leader doing anything other than pursuing nuclear weapons at this point. When we shock and awe a country, we kill a lot of people. No leader could contemplate allowing this to happen to his country without taking every means at his disposal to stop it. Even chasing nukes.

EDIT: I would be very surprised if Israel attempted any sort of military strike. Not because they lack the military means, but because I doubt they could get the political permission. We won't tolerate anyone rocking the boat right now. Our troops are bailing entirely too much as it is.

 

[Perfection]

Why don't they just burn their 262,790 million barrels of proven oil reserves (www.opec.org) to get their cheap electricity?

Because nuclear energy is cleaner and still cheaper.

 

[BloodyPepperoni]

If Azadre is an American and is so boldly making these extreme statements, I would reccomend to him that he should shut up immediately. Seriously, it'd be for his own good. I even find some of his statements a little harsh, and I'm sure that an FBI Agent would find them the same way too.

Ah, the legendary American freedom of speech and expression.

On topic, I would support any action against that regime. Fundamentalists exist only to destroy the West. It's not Saddam, It's serious, this time.

 

[Voynich]

If Iran is working on developing nuclear weapons (which is highly probable) they will not be stoped simply by inspections. It is inevitable they will obtain them. There are no real forseeable obstacles that could prevent this from happening. Iran is very much set to become the dominant power of the Middle East. Developing nuclear power + nuclear weapons presents them with a win-win situation.

 

[luiz]

Because nuclear energy is cleaner and still cheaper.

Cleaner? Yes
Cheaper? HELL NO

 

[FriendlyFire]

I'm steaming here, because this guy is endorsing the murder of American soldiers, when we bring freedom to a bunch of ingrates who turn their backs on us when we help them!

"From start to finnish, American leaders remained catastrophically ignorant of Vietnmese history, culture, values, motives, and abilities. Misperceiving both it enemy and its ally and imprisoned in the myopic conviction that sheer military force could somehow overcome adverse political circumstances, Washington stumbled from one failure to the next in the continuing delusion that success was always just ahead" - Without Honor - Arnold R. Isaacs

You question why ? what should have been one of the easiest occupation / liberation went so wrong ? Yet you conclude its Iraqs fault for being ingrates.

*shakes head

 

[Azadre]

*cough* *cough*

You called?

If Azadre is an American and is so boldly making these extreme statements, I would reccomend to him that he should shut up immediately. Seriously, it'd be for his own good. I even find some of his statements a little harsh, and I'm sure that an FBI Agent would find them the same way too.

Musa, I don't think we should've went to Iraq, I support Palestinians, and I support Iran developing Nuclear inferstucture. What is extreme? Would it be extreme if an 82 year old US Anglo-Saxon WWII vet said them? No? Because I am sure my buddy can say it without worry. I am just as American as he is too. Iran has every right to build nuclear reactors for peaceful means.

 

[Capulet]

Musa, I don't think we should've went to Iraq, I support Palestinians, and I support Iran developing Nuclear inferstucture. What is extreme? Would it be extreme if an 82 year old US Anglo-Saxon WWII vet said them? No? Because I am sure my buddy can say it without worry. I am just as American as he is too. Iran has every right to build nuclear reactors for peaceful means.

The Al-Sadr stuff...?

 

[Azadre]

The Al-Sadr stuff...?

Again, that wasn't serious and was just for fun. Sadr does have a milita and I don't support him because he doesn't go after Zarqawai.

 

[Perfection]

Cheaper? HELL NO

Only because of the massive amounts of government regulations and fees they have to go through, plus many people base it off decomissioning costs, which is stupid because you don't really need to decomission them.

 

[CurtSibling]

Heck, the way European culture is going, it may soon be more acceptable for them to molest small children than it is to even say the word "nuke".

You really know how to alienate potential allies, SN!

You flame, while coming from a nation where such abuse is daily news,
and now torture is acceptable - That constitutes the lowest bile.

 

[biggamer132]

What you people don't seem to realize is that an incredibily large number of Iranians are youth unhappy with the toalitarian government. There's even several pro-democracy satellite networks coming out of Los Angeles. Also, Iran will not be easily invaded. For one, Iran is a much larger country, with a large population and far more mountainous terrain. Now, although we may recieve alot of suport from the people that see American troops, they may go the same way that Iraqi citizens went. You have a better solution and you're completely ignoring it: Start a revolution in Iran. Almost all Iranians here in the States want it, alot of Iranians over there want it, but they're afraid. In Iran, protests are put down with government-controlled mobs. Give people the power to beat back what the government uses to break them, and the Iranian government will need to divert attention from it's nuclear program to keeping itself from a government change. Besides, you can be sure a terrorist government won't rise up in Iran. After a revolution, there won't be another Islamic Republic.

 

[The Last Conformist]

@CS: SN doesn't believe in allies.

@biggamer132: Last time the US tried anything of the sort in Iran, the results were not exactly wholly beneficial. But how, exactly, do you suppose to start a revolution in Iran?

 

[storealex]

Heck, the way European culture is going, it may soon be more acceptable for them to molest small children than it is to even say the word "nuke".

SN, please don't do this again. It makes me want to say all the bad things I can about your Country. But that would be lowering my self to your level so I wont.
My Country is in Europe. My Country have troops in both Afghanistan and Iraq. My Country and your Country have our differences, but we have always been friends. So you can probably understand how if makes me feel when I read this rubbish. I think it's about time that make an apology.
________
THE CIGAR BOSS

 

[Iggy]

Heck, the way European culture is going, it may soon be more acceptable for them to molest small children than it is to even say the word "nuke".

I agree with previous posters. Very poor comment SN.

 

[luiz]

Only because of the massive amounts of government regulations and fees they have to go through, plus many people base it off decomissioning costs, which is stupid because you don't really need to decomission them.

No, not really.
Of all the major energy sources, nuclear is by far the most expensive. This has a number of reasons, like the relatively high price of the raw material(enriched uranium), safety precautions, technology involved, etc.
OTOH oil and coal are the two cheapest ways possible to get electricty, albeit they are also the two most polluting.

 

[The Last Conformist]

The relative economies depends on where you are. Coal power is alot more labour intensive per joule.

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

Nuclear power in most circumstances is more expensive overall than the fossil fuel alternatives, which Iran has in plentiful supply.

Regardless, we can't expect that Iran won't want to at least develop the technology, given all of the spin-off technologies that it can provide (weapons being only one of many), given the fact that fossil fuels won't last forever, given the fact that they can sell their fossil fuels for massive economical gain, given that they have exploitable uranium deposits that they can't easily sell, given that it represents a scientific step forward in a relatively forward thinking nation, and given that it is their sovereign right that they are eager to defend.

Don't assume that I'm naive and think that Iran wouldn't dream of building nuclear weapons, but don't assume that a nuclear programme has only one possible gain.

If we can engage with Iran and acheive a properly monitered nuclear programme with all the necessary safeguards that prevent them from quickly switching their reactors to weapons production, then everybody has won. I can perfectly understand those of you who think that this will never happen, that Iran will never abandon its ambitions for nuclear weapons. But for those of us that still hope we can avert a regional disaster that will hit the world economy like a sledgehammer, we cannot forget that it is Iran's right, under the same treaty that forbids them from building nuclear weapons, for them to develop a non-military nuclear programme. If we ignore the international law that guarantees that right, it gives Iran a green light to ignore that very same law and withdraw from the NPT.

 

[CurtSibling]

@CS: SN doesn't believe in allies.

Perhaps he will need allies one day - And find he has none.

 

[downtown]

As far as cost is concerend, Nucular is the msot stable, and the cost to run Oil and Coal plants flucuates with the cost of the raw materials needed, (i.e. crude and coal). I was under the impression that Uranium's price was more stable, which is why it might be more appealing then say, an Oil plant.

Iran shouldnt be trusted with a Nuke, I think that goes without saying, but what are we all gonna do about it? Sure, a few isloated airstrikes can take out the facilities, but I really doubt it would end there. If canada felt that our weapons facilities were hurting their national secuirty, and they blew them up, would we sit there? hell no. We'd invade, and really give them something to worry about.
Likewise, should Isreal take out plants in Iran, I can see a huge Radical Arab collilision thats going to try and invade, and presto. thats a pretty good way to start another world war.