Communism III
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ComradeDavo
Formerly God
hey, i'm not going to force people to live in any society!
If they want to go live in their own society away from the Utopian one I invision then i'm not gonna try stopping them! (obviously i can see the potential problems arising from this, but there is no way for me to know what the situation would be like)
amadeus
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I suppose they'd have to leave the country, if the government allows that.
Graeme the mad
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Your entire thing is pointless though Comrade Davo because you have created in your head a time when people will not have to work - or if they do there work will produce everything required (which is very odd) therefore the only point of this communist idea is as a philosophical exercise without any real application.
"the only point of this communist idea is as a philosophical exercise without any real application."
Then what do you say to the communists who are quietly productive, and waste little time thinking too deeply about it, right here now in your society? There are a lot of people who make economic decisions in thier lives which are intended to deprive the rich.
I agree with ComradeDavo that it will take a long time. In Civ terms, you could say we don't have the prerequesites for national applied communism.
Then what do you say to the communists who are quietly productive, and waste little time thinking too deeply about it, right here now in your society? There are a lot of people who make economic decisions in thier lives which are intended to deprive the rich.
I agree with ComradeDavo that it will take a long time. In Civ terms, you could say we don't have the prerequesites for national applied communism.
Graeme the mad
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Im only talking about Davo's own kind of communism here sean not communism in general (though of course I dont think that works either)
amadeus
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The communist state will ultimately violate it's own ideals. The head of state, for example, you need to have one, but will they live in the same quarters as a paper mill worker?
A "world revolution" is not going to occur, so you will need a operational government, or else hostile neighbors could easily invade and annex the country. Absolute demilitarization would be suicide for a fledgling government.
Central American banana republics, anyone? In those countries, the soup of the day is replaced by the coup of the day.
A "world revolution" is not going to occur, so you will need a operational government, or else hostile neighbors could easily invade and annex the country. Absolute demilitarization would be suicide for a fledgling government.
Central American banana republics, anyone? In those countries, the soup of the day is replaced by the coup of the day.
Hitro
Feistus Raclettus
Communism won't work with mankind. But most likely nothing will work with it.
So I have less problems with good utopias than with bad real politics.
Go Davo!
So I have less problems with good utopias than with bad real politics.
Go Davo!
rmsharpe: "The communist state will ultimately violate it's own ideals."
Too true!
And the capitalist state's ideals are daily violated by the citizens.
I think we need to keep in mind that any society is not a frozen thing suscepible to a master blueprint. It's organic. Any state which fails to adapt to change will become a burden to the people.
Too true!
And the capitalist state's ideals are daily violated by the citizens.
I think we need to keep in mind that any society is not a frozen thing suscepible to a master blueprint. It's organic. Any state which fails to adapt to change will become a burden to the people.
Xiahou-Dun
Retired Super Hero
I have seen this being posted and ask ..Who decides for each according to?
amadeus
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A totalitarian dictator.
I live in a welfare state, and see that people generally get what they need. I'm unsure if you'd call our Canadian prime minister a totalitarian dictator. Oh, and the state does try to find appropriate work for people. Do you think communism is really so weird and far off?
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
For the last time you wouldn't have a head of state in a true democracy!!!!!!!!!
Well I think that MAYBE one day a world reveloution will occur. but I do not claim to be able to see into the future, I have no way of knowing what is going to happen.
200 years ago would your avergae person really of imagined that humans would ever have the kind of technology we do today? And I don't think exactly like that, I just RECKON that in 300-400 years time technology will be a hell lot more advanced than it is now, and besides we currently have 6 billion odd people in this world, gonna be hard to find jobs for them all!! therefore giving people long holidays etc will be no problem becuase there will always be pleanty of people to fill their job when there gone.
Well if someone needed something then they would get it, there would be no need to decide if they needed it. I'm not going to claim I know the precise answer to this question, as Sean Lindstrom said I don't need a detailed blueprint to start work now
To sum it up I hope that one day this communist 'utopia' taht i invision will exist. Do i think it is possible? yes, yes I do. Does this mean that it will nessecary happen? No, no it doesn't.
As I said, I have no way of knowing what will hapopen in the future, all I can do is but hope and try my best to begin the first steps towards such a society.
basically, I am being incredibally optomistic
hehe, as I said earlier, i'm an idealistic youth!!!!
Communism won't work with mankind. But most likely nothing will work with it.
So I have less problems with good utopias than with bad real politics.That's my way of thinking Hitro
edit - typo's
amadeus
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Who'd be the figurehead for international diplomacy, then?
To answer all your questions at once...
Your questions center around the issue of Money or Payment.
For Communism to work well (In my opinion anyway....) money would HAVE to be abolished. As money is a tool of Capitalism.
Money and true Communism can't co-exist. Like someone said...it's just heavly regulated Capitalism then. Which is STILL better than what we have now.....so....anyway....
Your questions center around the issue of Money or Payment.
For Communism to work well (In my opinion anyway....) money would HAVE to be abolished. As money is a tool of Capitalism.
Money and true Communism can't co-exist. Like someone said...it's just heavly regulated Capitalism then. Which is STILL better than what we have now.....so....anyway....
Foregin Minister.
And yes...everyone would have the same quarters.
Why do people find that so hard to accept.
If everyone is equal....and treated equally....why would someone need a bigger house? Because he's in the government? No....he's still a person like everyone else.
Håkan Eriksson
Commander of the Swedes.
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The Revolution will come!
The Revolution will come!
Hamlet
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