Condoleeza Rice: Worst Secretary of State in recent US history?

[skadistic]

Well yeah. She sure has a lot of credit for being a black woman in her situation, but black women can be incompetent too

Is she incompetent or can she not get things done because the sexiset and racist scumbags she has to deal with.

 

[Xanikk999]

I dont think shes the worst. I bet alot of people only think that becauses shes the secretary of state for bush.

Oh and for the record i dont think bush is the worst president either.

 

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[Bozo Erectus]

Is she incompetent or can she not get things done because the sexiset and racist scumbags she has to deal with.

How come just because she happens to be a black woman, anyone raising any objections at all about her has to pass a racist/sexist white glove test?

 

[Atlas14]

Atlas, effective Secs of State stake out key issues they plan to focus on and then play a major role in shaping the nations response to them. Colin Powell was everywhere during his tenure, he was a very hands on Secretary of State. The fact that he was sidelined and misused by the learning disabled Bush administration is no reflection on his abilities. As Sec of State, he was a giant among Pygmies. Condoleeza Rice is an employee, a Yes Woman. She might as well just stand next to Bush wearing an "Im with Stupid" T-shirt.

So basically you're comparing Condoleeza to Colin Powell? Colin Powell was one of the best we've had in my own opinion, Im not sure it is a fair comparison. I agree Condoleeza has had many, many flaws and shortcomings as Sec. of State, but to be deemed the worst?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

So basically you're comparing Condoleeza to Colin Powell? Colin Powell was one of the best we've had in my own opinion, Im not sure it is a fair comparison. I agree Condoleeza has had many, many flaws and shortcomings as Sec. of State, but to be deemed the worst?

When I say the worst in recent history, I mean from about 1970 onwards. I dont know, maybe thats ancient history to you. Traditionally, a President selects a person for the position of Sec because that person is recognized as being a knowledgeable, widely respected commentator and actor on the world stage, aperson who will add luster to his administration. Thats what Bush did with his first term. Powell was clearly chosen to add credibility to the former Texas governers foreign policy. But then in his second term he went to true to form and chose Condi, who is more of a secretary than a Secretary.

 

[Atlas14]

When I say the worst in recent history, I mean from about 1970 onwards. I dont know, maybe thats ancient history to you. Traditionally, a President selects a person for the position of Sec because that person is recognized as being a knowledgeable, widely respected commentator and actor on the world stage, aperson who will add luster to his administration. Thats what Bush did with his first term. Powell was clearly chosen to add credibility to the former Texas governers foreign policy. But then in his second term he went to true to form and chose Condi, who is more of a secretary than a Secretary.

Does it matter what Condi was chosen for? I look at what she has accomplished and I see many positive things that are key to such a position. Now, I am not too familiar with other Secretaries of State in recent history, but I cannot imagine they have accomplished too much more than Condi.

 

[skadistic]

How come just because she happens to be a black woman, anyone raising any objections at all about her has to pass a racist/sexist white glove test?

I'm talking about world leaders who have made numerous sexist and racist remarks. How can can she as a black woman be expected to get things done when she is repetedly degraded because shes a black woman. Theres a difference between making an opjection and depicting her as a monkey or porpouly calling her missy.

If your going to call her incompatent it helps to reflect why. Part of it has to do with the lack of respect she gets for her office buy the likes of Chavez the pallies and Akmadimaretard. Is she wholely incompatent on her skills?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Does it matter what Condi was chosen for? I look at what she has accomplished and I see many positive things that are key to such a position. Now, I am not too familiar with other Secretaries of State in recent history, but I cannot imagine they have accomplished too much more than Condi.

But thats my whole purpose for starting the thread, what has she accomplished? Can she even take credit for the North Korean deal, did she leave fingerprints on that one? I dont think so. Powell would have been all over it.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I'm talking about world leaders who have made numerous sexist and racist remarks. How can can she as a black woman be expected to get things done when she is repetedly degraded because shes a black woman. Theres a difference between making an opjection and depicting her as a monkey or porpouly calling her missy.

If any world leaders have made comments for the record of a sexist or racist nature about Rice, then thats their problem, and I really mean their problem. Regarless of their own quaint native racisms, Rice represents the government of the US. If they feel comfortable making racist and sexist comments about her, then we really dont need to waste too much time on them, do we? (to their detriment)

If your going to call her incompatent it helps to reflect why. Part of it has to do with the lack of respect she gets for her office buy the likes of Chavez the pallies and Akmadimaretard. Is she wholely incompatent on her skills?

Me calling her incompetant has nothing to do with racist and sexist comments by jackasses like Chavez. And I dont even think that shes an incompetant person, just that she's ill suited to the role of Sec of State. BTW, I heard a good one recently for Amadinejhad: Amadinnerjacket.

 

[Masquerouge]

Also, to be honest Condi has to take a lot of flak since Rumsfeld quit. She's now first-in-line for the bashing since the shield is no longer here - so people might be focusing too hard on that...

 

[skadistic]

I think Dr. Rice would have been a better choice pre 9-11 when relations with russia were warming and the mideast was only killing each other.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

During the Cold War, she might have been an interesting Sec. In fact thats confirmed after checking with alternate parallel universes But in this one, she was like a fish after the water in her pond evaporated.

 

[skadistic]

During the Cold War, she might have been an interesting Sec. In fact thats confirmed after checking with alternate parallel universes But in this one, she was like a fish after the water in her pond evaporated.

Is it a Northern Snakehead?



And I am by no means giving her a passing grade.

 

[Masquerouge]

I think Dr. Rice would have been a better choice pre 9-11 when relations with russia were warming and the mideast was only killing each other.

You mean when diplomacy was easy?

 

[skadistic]

You mean when diplomacy was easy?

Was it? She has a vast library of Russian centric skill sets. Shes highly qualified to be a "cold war" SoS. In the curret world structure shes kinda worthless. She just isn't equiped to handle the current evil of radical-islamo-terror. I personaly would have her handle the euros and Ruskies and have someone else handle the mideast and yet another for the rest of the world.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Sometimes being vocal is all you can do. I don't see any spectacular results from any other previous Secretary of State in recent history.

Your right, ending the Vietnam war, reproachment with China, SALT I, who really has had any spectacular results?

 

[Atlas14]

Your right, ending the Vietnam war, reproachment with China, SALT I, who really has had any spectacular results?

Depends how you define recent history, but yes, Henry Kissinger did have some spectacular results. While Condi is far from the best sec. of state, and perhaps even a "passing grade", I would not say she is the worst. But comparing her to single, great individuals is not really what this thread is about.

 

[GinandTonic]

Atlas the list you posted shows how she has failed. If those are the issues she has focused on then

1 - None of them has been resolved.
2 - They have all become worse.

This is a results game. She had the bad fortune to be in the post at the US's weakest diplomatically since WW2 and as part of an admistration that proclames its unilateralism to be a virtue, but no results is no results.

As a person kudos for being a black woman at the top table of a westen power, but as a SoS its imaterial.

 

[Atlas14]

Atlas the list you posted shows how she has failed. If those are the issues she has focused on then

1 - None of them has been resolved.
2 - They have all become worse.

This is a results game.

1. They don't have to be resolved immediately for her to have had a major impact.

2. I fail to see this, would you care to enlighten me?