Console Games Thread

[MajorGeneral2]

Originally posted by Smash
Bah!..don't you Nintendo guys ever learn?....nes,snes,n64

I luv my PS2.You guys are missing out on a great game in Vice City.Nascar Thunder is just awesome good fun.

I luv my GCN. You guys are missing out on a great game in Zelda: The WindWaker. Metroid Prime is just awesome good fun.
Face it, Nintendo is still king of quality games, especially since Square has come back. Sony has no Marios or Zeldas. Or "Home Alone"s, for that matter. (just kidding there!)

What do you mean by your first sentence, anyway? Nintendo is releasing systems at the same rate as Sony (every 5 years), if that's what you're trying to say.

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by MajorGeneral2

What do you mean by your first sentence, anyway? Nintendo is releasing systems at the same rate as Sony (every 5 years), if that's what you're trying to say.

I think he is saying that they are bad systems. Although how can anyone say the SNES was bad???

 

[Silverflame]

Originally posted by Smash
Bah!..don't you Nintendo guys ever learn?....nes,snes,n64

I luv my PS2.You guys are missing out on a great game in Vice City.Nascar Thunder is just awesome good fun.

Vice City? You're entitled to your own opinion. If killing innocent civilians with guns and baseball bats while fleeing from the cops and driving around with machine guns and whatnot is fun, okay.

And CG is right, PS2 really is only winning because they got a year ahead. Even with no games at the launch, Nintendo suddenly saw itself behind and rushed to get the cube in. The video game industry has suddenly become a race to see who can get their consoles out fastest. If that's the case, the Microsoft would easily win since it's willing to lose a half-million dollars just to ensure it's position in the video game industry.

Unfortunately, Nintendo has suddenly gone from having colorful graphics and lasting gameplay to "the kiddie." The E rating for everyone has suddenly become for children 5-10. Rated M games for the cube such as Resident Evil are completely disregarded. Little spots of blood are suddenly everything. PS2 comes out with good graphics, and everyone is making a big deal out of that. Gamecube comes out with better graphics, and PS2 fanboys roll their eyes.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not a Nintendo fanboy despite my avatar. Months of lurking at GameFAQs has taught me better. Xbox and PS2 are not bad, I would buy both xbox and PS2, but I'd rather save my $500 for a life, rather than become a mindless person who plays video games (no offense to anyone here at CFC who is one )

 

[Smash]

Vice City is the cuase of evil in society blah blah.Heard it before.Fact it,its a groundbreaking game that is many,many games in one.Cars,trucks,motorcycles,boats,heilcopters and planes.People that are against this game,have never played it.There is so much to do.

My PS2 cost me $300 Canadian.Cheaper than a decent video card for my PC.AND,every game works out of the box.No fiddling,patches and what not.To me it was just good economic sense as my pc is no longer used for any serious gaming.I just got sick and tired of all hassles with this conflicting with that and so on.Not too mention it doubles as a basic DVD player.

I have NES,SNES and N64.Now there is GC.Thats 4 systems,none of which are compatible with each other.Talk about marketing.Sony has PS and PS2 which plays PS games.For me its a no brainer value wise.

The only thing I can give Nintendo is their most excellent controllers starting with N64.Goldeneye is still my 2nd all time favorite game.

My life has room for all leisure activities.

 

[Silverflame]

Originally posted by Smash
Vice City is the cuase of evil in society blah blah.Heard it before.Fact it,its a groundbreaking game that is many,many games in one.Cars,trucks,motorcycles,boats,heilcopters and planes.People that are against this game,have never played it.There is so much to do.

I realize that this game can be fun, and I have played it before at a friends house. I'm against all the violence, but that's just me.

As for costs, PS2 costs fifty US dollars more by itself, while for $150 US dollars you can get bundles of the GC with a free game and controller.

As for backwards compatibility, you're right, Nintendo made a mistake when it kept using cartriges for the N64. Hopefully they realize that backwards compatibility is a good thing for consoles, not just for handhelds (Nintendo used backwards compatibility there).

 

[Smash]

I think bickering over cost is kind of a moot point as we have seen each system come down in price to pretty much the exact same price.
Nintendo dropped theirs abit to get some X-Mas sales and up their year end numbers.They still need to get their consoles out there.This is why sales numbers are missleading.People allready have PS2s so sales of those consoles will naturally be lower and lower each year..
The other guys are soon to follow I'm sure.PS2s were allready "on sale" for $250 with extra controller and VC at my local Future Shop

Getting "bundles" is a matter of purchase location.Different stores in my area offer different incentives like "2 free games with purchase of" etc.

 

[MajorGeneral2]

Backward compatibility is completely and utterly insignificant, IMHO. Why? Because the older system tends to die fairly quick anyway. How many new N64 games have come out recently? None. So why should Nintendo have gone through the trouble to make the GCN backwards copatible when the previous system wouldn't last long anyway? If you want to play an older game, don't throw away the older system!
I'm sure GTA3 is a great game. I've never played, probably never will, but it looks good. However, I don't find that worth $200 for the new system, when I can barely find time to play all the new, great GCN/GBA games coming up, in addition to my hunting down classics. Nintendo's "kiddie" reputation is undeserved, and is only believed by PS zealots and the ignorant. ESRB ratings don't mean much to me personally, since I'm neither squeemish nor vulgar (shoot, I like both Super Mario Sunshine and Eternal Darkness ). Variety is the key to a successful system.

 

[Silverflame]

Originally posted by Smash
I think bickering over cost is kind of a moot point as we have seen each system come down in price to pretty much the exact same price.

Agreed

Originally posted by MajorGeneral2
Backward compatibility is completely and utterly insignificant, IMHO. Why? Because the older system tends to die fairly quick anyway. How many new N64 games have come out recently? None. So why should Nintendo have gone through the trouble to make the GCN backwards copatible when the previous system wouldn't last long anyway? If you want to play an older game, don't throw away the older system!

Because usually when consoles are launched these days all it matters is how soon, not what launch games there are. Say Sony comes out with a PS3 in December 2004, with only a handful of luckster launch games. Most people are going to get it anyway because they have a PS2, can play their old PS2s, and wait for new games on the PS3 to come out.

Also, you say you have both a GBA and GCN. If you're planing to get a Gameboy Player that lets you play Gameboy games on the GCN, and you have some old GBC games, you wouldn't be able to play the old GBC games on the Gameboy Player if it wasn't backwards compatible, but it is. Anyway, the Gameboy Player isn't coming out until June anyway, so I guess it's moot point.

 

[Smash]

While I agree in principle with what majorgeneral2 has to offer there are times I want to play an oldie.Alot easier to put it in whatever system I have rather than having to hook up an old system.

would it not have been great if all Nintendo systems played each other's games?..I could play Tecmo Bowl on my 64!.

I'm sure GC is pretty good.I just could only afford 1 system.I swore off Nintendo after investing $1000s in 3 obsolete systems.X-box was out immediately.Good call there.That left 1 choice.GTA series tipped the scale all the way.

 

[Jason The King]

Xbox is by far the most powerful, well managed, and best system out. Not only are the graphics the best in the industry (tho havnt been expressed fully yet), but it is the most powerful in the case that it can produce more larger games and has a larger capabality.

Also, the fact of Xbox Live completely surpasses any other system out there now. The online world of PS2 is a joke. Gamecube has yet to launch it's online interface (at least in America, to my knowledge).

Don't get me wrong, I love the PS2. I am a PS2 fan as well as a Xbox, but i know the PS2's days are limited, due to their extreme hardship to become a nextgen system by offering a playable and affordable online universe.

I'd have to say I am a Sega/Microsoft Fanboy. Sega Dreamcast was perhaps the best system launched during its time, just was poorly managed and too ahead of its time. I mean, Phantasy Star Online was unheard of for a console system, and yet Dreamcast pulled it off with flying stars.

Nintendo has always been an enemy of mine (since I am a Sega fan), and again they prove their inability to suit my needs. The GameCube is graphically on par with the Xbox, i give it that, but the games for it suck (except for Resident Evil...WOW!), and the controller is out of my mind awkward and uncomfortable compared to Xbox and Dreamcast. Wow, it looks 'cute' being all small, and is good for people who like 'cute' things, but for me I will have to go with the man's system, the Xbox, over the PS2 and the 'cute' GC.

Jason

 

[Toasty]

w00t! Sega fanboys unite !

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by Jason The King
Xbox is by far the most powerful, well managed, and best system out. Not only are the graphics the best in the industry (tho havnt been expressed fully yet), but it is the most powerful in the case that it can produce more larger games and has a larger capabality.

Hmph.

Also, the fact of Xbox Live completely surpasses any other system out there now. The online world of PS2 is a joke. Gamecube has yet to launch it's online interface (at least in America, to my knowledge).

Yeah, and its losing MS a whole lotta money. Its free!

Nintendo has always been an enemy of mine (since I am a Sega fan), and again they prove their inability to suit my needs. The GameCube is graphically on par with the Xbox, i give it that, but the games for it suck (except for Resident Evil...WOW!), and the controller is out of my mind awkward and uncomfortable compared to Xbox and Dreamcast. Wow, it looks 'cute' being all small, and is good for people who like 'cute' things, but for me I will have to go with the man's system, the Xbox, over the PS2 and the 'cute' GC.

Jason

Again, hmph. I beleive most people overall prefer the GC controller. As for bad games, that's your opinion. I personally think Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Pikmin, etc are all worth owning a system for.

Oh, and the only reason Xbox is a "success" is because MS has enough money to lose on it. I've heard each Xbox console loses about a hundred dollars...

 

[Toasty]

Originally posted by cgannon64

Oh, and the only reason Xbox is a "success" is because MS has enough money to lose on it. I've heard each Xbox console loses about a hundred dollars...

This is the general marketing strategy for ALL of the console-makers, including Nintendo. Sega lowered Dreamcast to $79, and lost a WHOLE lot more than $100 (they were losing money at the launch price of $199 !).

The idea is to make money back on the games. I don't know how much the average development contract costs, but to burn a program onto a CD and mass-produce a manual costs A LOT less than $50.

IMHO, Xbox is in 3rd, with GC in 2nd and Sony in a distant 1st at this point. Not in the sense that their system is better designed, but because they have sold over a whopping 20 mil. consoles worldwide.

Xboxs are increasingly rare in my neck of the woods--I know, literally, ONE person with an Xbox, two with a GameCube, and about fifteen with a PS2. Just by that sample, Sony is whooping butt right now, not because of the power of their system, but because of their excellent marketing and shining-by-comparison library.

Dreamcast, in my mind, remains the best of the four.

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by Toasty


This is the general marketing strategy for ALL of the console-makers, including Nintendo. Sega lowered Dreamcast to $79, and lost a WHOLE lot more than $100 (they were losing money at the launch price of $199 !).

Well, I've heared GameCube is losing barely anything or even making money per console! Except that Xbox is losing loads of money and Xbox Live is losing them even more - that's alot of servers and its only $50 for 12 months. When they actually do put in a monthly cost, I'd expect lots of customers to drop out...

IMHO, Xbox is in 3rd, with GC in 2nd and Sony in a distant 1st at this point. Not in the sense that their system is better designed, but because they have sold over a whopping 20 mil. consoles worldwide.

Xboxs are increasingly rare in my neck of the woods--I know, literally, ONE person with an Xbox, two with a GameCube, and about fifteen with a PS2. Just by that sample, Sony is whooping butt right now, not because of the power of their system, but because of their excellent marketing and shining-by-comparison library.

Dreamcast, in my mind, remains the best of the four.

I have to the total opposite. I know about 3 people with a PS2, about 10 with an Xbox, and about 4 with a GC.

Goes to show you that you have to look at the big picture. I've read that Xbox is winning in America, GameCube is KILLING in Japan, and they are about even worldwide. (Out of the two of course, I don't even care to look at PS2's stats. )

 

[hbdragon88]

IMHO, Xbox is in 3rd, with GC in 2nd and Sony in a distant 1st at this point. Not in the sense that their system is better designed, but because they have sold over a whopping 20 mil. consoles worldwide.

At least according to the Los Angeles Times, that's not right.

Nintendo has stalled and has slipped to third in console sales. Xbox has sold about 9 million consoles, in second place, and PS2...well, in first place, of course.

 

[Silverflame]

Originally posted by Jason The King
Nintendo has always been an enemy of mine (since I am a Sega fan), and again they prove their inability to suit my needs. The GameCube is graphically on par with the Xbox, i give it that, but the games for it suck (except for Resident Evil...WOW!), and the controller is out of my mind awkward and uncomfortable compared to Xbox and Dreamcast. Wow, it looks 'cute' being all small, and is good for people who like 'cute' things, but for me I will have to go with the man's system, the Xbox, over the PS2 and the 'cute' GC.

Cute GC? The Xbox isn't anymore manly than the gamecube is. If you think that the Xbox is the "man's system" then it sure shows how manly you are
Saying the Gamecube is "cute" and "Kiddie" is like saying the best thing about the Xbox is that it makes a GREAT paperweight. As you know that that statement is uncalled for, so is calling the Gamecube "Kiddie"

In general preferences I think most people prefer the Gamecube controller, and most people don't like the big bulkiness of the Xbox. As for games, I can sense that you like first-person shooters, which explains your preference of the Xbox, which has most of the first-person shooters. The only other first-person shooter for Gamecube besides Resident Evil is Timesplitters 2 to my knowledge, unless you count Metroid Prime as one (which I personally don't).

Posted by Hbdragon88
Nintendo has stalled and has slipped to third in console sales. Xbox has sold about 9 million consoles, in second place, and PS2...well, in first place, of course.

Gamecube and Xbox are about equal, there's no true answer. All that really matters is that both are gaining on the PS2's ground. PS2 will fall back a bit more after Soul Calliber 2 is released probably, since the PS2 graphics are extremely primitive compared to Xbox and Gamecube's, and I don't think that Tekken guy they're using or whatever will fit in place any better than Spawn, let alone Link, will.

 

[Jason The King]

Originally posted by Silverflame

In general preferences I think most people prefer the Gamecube controller, and most people don't like the big bulkiness of the Xbox. As for games, I can sense that you like first-person shooters, which explains your preference of the Xbox, which has most of the first-person shooters. The only other first-person shooter for Gamecube besides Resident Evil is Timesplitters 2 to my knowledge, unless you count Metroid Prime as one (which I personally don't).

For one, I said I prefer the Xbox controller over the Gamecube, not what the populace thinks. To me, the GC controller is to cramped, too many buttons on such a small controller, and you must stretch your fingers to press a button. For second, I am not a hardcore first-person shooter fan. Ironically, I do have both halo and Unreal on Xbox, but I am not such a fan. I am more of a fan of strategy and action games.

People complain on how big the Xbox is. Seriously, does that really matter? If it can play DVD's, go online, play music cd's, and play the most powerful games on the shelf, then i dont care if it is the size of the tv.

I called the GameCube kiddie because to me, only a handful of the games are actually for the older audience.

Xbox live is free for the first year, a marketing scheme to grab an audience so that they will love it so much not to want to give it up when it goes to 10 dollars a month. I honestly will not hesitate to pay that when it comes. I already pay that for Ultima Online, and could just cut that for it.

Of course Xbox is not going to sell well in Japan, it's American .

Also, it's pretty much PS2 dominated around here. I know about 8 people with Xbox's (we have LAN parties, so much fun ), like 20 with PS2's (some are the same who have Xbox's), and only like 3 who have Gamecube.

Jason

 

[Silverflame]

Originally posted by Jason The King

For one, I said I prefer the Xbox controller over the Gamecube, not what the populace thinks. To me, the GC controller is to cramped, too many buttons on such a small controller, and you must stretch your fingers to press a button. For second, I am not a hardcore first-person shooter fan. Ironically, I do have both halo and Unreal on Xbox, but I am not such a fan. I am more of a fan of strategy and action games.

Also, it's pretty much PS2 dominated around here. I know about 8 people with Xbox's (we have LAN parties, so much fun ), like 20 with PS2's (some are the same who have Xbox's), and only like 3 who have Gamecube.

About the controller, I understand how some people prefer the Xbox one over the smaller Gamecube one. Just wondering, is there a wireless Xbox controller similar to the Wavebird?

I only believed you liked first-person shooters because that is what Xbox is "hogging" It goes like this:
PS2-Hogging all the good RPGs
Xbox-Hogging all the good first-person shooters
Gamecube-Hogging all the good adventure games

Of course, that's just in a nutshell, you get RPGs for Gamecube, adventures for Xbox, etc.

I actually do not know if PS2 is dominating around where I live. I know a group of friends who have on Xbox and the guy who has it has this shed out in his backyard he calls his "Halo hut." My friend who lives two blocks away says that he can hear them at night. I only know three with a Gamecube, and two with a PS2. It seems video games are rarely talked about at my school.

 

[Jason The King]

Originally posted by Silverflame


About the controller, I understand how some people prefer the Xbox one over the smaller Gamecube one. Just wondering, is there a wireless Xbox controller similar to the Wavebird?

I only believed you liked first-person shooters because that is what Xbox is "hogging" It goes like this:
PS2-Hogging all the good RPGs
Xbox-Hogging all the good first-person shooters
Gamecube-Hogging all the good adventure games

Of course, that's just in a nutshell, you get RPGs for Gamecube, adventures for Xbox, etc.

I actually do not know if PS2 is dominating around where I live. I know a group of friends who have on Xbox and the guy who has it has this shed out in his backyard he calls his "Halo hut." My friend who lives two blocks away says that he can hear them at night. I only know three with a Gamecube, and two with a PS2. It seems video games are rarely talked about at my school.

Fully agreed. I hate it that Xbox is lacking RPG's .

Jason

 

[Knight-Dragon]

I see that this thread has morphed into a console bickering contest.

My input - to each his own. Every guy is going to have his own favorite, despite all the stark 'facts'. Just stick to your own console and be happy.

Speaking of which, I shld be trying to get Dynasty Warriors 4...