Continent of remaining Civ?

[Pouakai]

I imagine that if they were to add Tibet, it would be via DLC. It would get the entire expansion banned in China, as opposed to just Tibetian DLC

 

[Guandao]

IDK, before learning more about history, I probably would have wanted a Malagasy, Swahili, or Zimbabwe civ.

We could have a woman leader for the Malagasy, they had ruling queens.

 

[CivOasis]

I imagine that if they were to add Tibet, it would be via DLC. It would get the entire expansion banned in China, as opposed to just Tibetian DLC

If recent Tibet was avoided, would it still?

 

[Guandao]

Does China acknowledge that the Tibetan Empire existed? If not, maybe it will get banned. Somehow China has owned Tibet since the Shang Dynasty (Sarcasm).

 

[Louis XXIV]

Including Tibet as a civ would certainly not be conducive to their marketing prospects in China. Then again, having Lhasa as a city-state probably isn't great either.

 

[Liex]

For Southeast Asia, I'd like to see the Pagan Kingdom. Fits the Religious Theme very well. But I don't think the 9th Civ should or is going to be a Southeast Asian one.

 

[Pangur Bán]

For Southeast Asia, I'd like to see the Pagan Kingdom. Fits the Religious Theme very well. But I don't think the 9th Civ should or is going to be a Southeast Asian one.

Never heard of them, but on investigation, this appears to be a good suggestion. Anyone who builts this kind of thing ought to be up there:

Spoiler :

 

[Liex]

And this:

Bonus on Religious Buildings construction would be the most realistic UA ever.

 

[PhilBowles]

Including Tibet as a civ would certainly not be conducive to their marketing prospects in China. Then again, having Lhasa as a city-state probably isn't great either.

China can conquer Lhasa with very little prospect of the reverse happening...

 

[PhilBowles]

If not Tibet who? Burma would be interesting. Some people are saying it will be the Zulu, but why secrecy over the Zulu. Kongo would be worth a secret. I know you have been talking about them forever.

I think you've asked "who?" in relation to Asia for some time, but the question still makes no sense. Why Tibet particularly? There are the Khmer, Champa, Sri Lanka, the Nepalese, several Burmese kingdoms, Bhutan, Lan Xang, Majahapit or earlier Indonesian kingdoms, Melayu, and these are just off the top of my head representing the main empires that roughly correspond to modern South Asian territories. Champa lasted from the 7th to the 18th Centuries, far longer than the Khmer, Siam, Tibet or Kongo; for the most part we are not talking about minor provincial powers here (and even if we were, arguably the existence of the Aztecs in Civ doesn't preclude the inclusion of short-lived minor states). Cham territory may not have been as extensive, but it was larger than, say, the Aztec or Maya territories, or indeed Korea - Civ civilizations have never been based on sheer size or sphere of influence; if they had Tibet would have made it in before any of the other East Asian civilizations, China and India included. And one can hardly claim the Chams were without regional influence - it was Champa, after all, that destroyed the Khmer capital Yasodharapura.

 

[nokmirt]

It doesn't lead me to conclude anything about what it will be, but I think it does demonstrate that it should be a Civ south of the equator. However, I want to point out that I didn't try to test this just for the new civs, not all civs.

I still think the smart bet is on the Zulu because they've always been in the game, but I'm not remotely confident enough to make a strong prediction.

We'll see if your hunch is right about the civ being south of the equator, hopefully soon.

I think you've asked "who?" in relation to Asia for some time, but the question still makes no sense. Why Tibet particularly? There are the Khmer, Champa, Sri Lanka, the Nepalese, several Burmese kingdoms, Bhutan, Lan Xang, Majahapit or earlier Indonesian kingdoms, Melayu, and these are just off the top of my head representing the main empires that roughly correspond to modern South Asian territories. Champa lasted from the 7th to the 18th Centuries, far longer than the Khmer, Siam, Tibet or Kongo; for the most part we are not talking about minor provincial powers here (and even if we were, arguably the existence of the Aztecs in Civ doesn't preclude the inclusion of short-lived minor states). Cham territory may not have been as extensive, but it was larger than, say, the Aztec or Maya territories, or indeed Korea - Civ civilizations have never been based on sheer size or sphere of influence; if they had Tibet would have made it in before any of the other East Asian civilizations, China and India included. And one can hardly claim the Chams were without regional influence - it was Champa, after all, that destroyed the Khmer capital Yasodharapura.

The reason I have mentioned Tibet so often is that my dog is a Lhasa Apso. I also have a Shih Tzu. I just feel that Tibet would be an interesting religion based civ. Champa sounds interesting too and so does Burma as I mentioned. I will tell you one thing though, if I have a question about civs in Southeast Asia. You'll be the first person I'd ask. I never even heard of the Champa, which sadly goes to show you how much I really know about the history of that area of the world.

Spoiler :

From what I have briefly the Champa, they are seafarers dealing in trade. Eaglewood is mentioned as their most important export, they also provided fresh water to coastal shipping from a huge network of wells. Religion played a role as time went on, beginning with Hinduism, Buddhism, and ending up with the people converting to Islam. They were conquered over time by the Vietnamese, and the last Cham territories were annexed in 1832.

I wonder what kind of ships they had an what their army consisted of.

"I found that champa army has around 40k soldiers and they are the royal Soldiers, but the best part of the champa is Navy, many researchers consider champa is like Viking in Asia, they are the good Pirates here in asia.

and also they have a big quantity of Elephant and Siege Weapon on the Back of Elephant.
they also has Archer, Crossbowman, Javelin
their infantry usually uses long Sword (it is the combine between Stick around 0.7m with Falchion around 0.7m, and they have the weapon aroung 1.4m)
they also uses Halbardier .

their Amour is not too much , they have Wooden Shield, no shoes, the helmet look like the Helmet of Shiva or Brahma or Vishnu statue usually have. their Amour is simple normal clothes, some kind of army even has no shirt only has wearing in lower part. and some has the Rhinos Hide Amour (small quantity, just used for the royal Guard to protect the king (Jaya))

and their have 2 feudal lord, is Kau Clan living in Kauthara, and Pandur Clan living in Panduranga, the king will be elected by Great Assembly. and the king was chosen must be the one of Kau Clan or Pandur Clan."

Here is a link for further reading if anyone is interested. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=218026

 

[Glassmage]

I'm Vietnamese but even I think Champa is better than other South East Asia civs.

 

[PhilBowles]

The reason I have mentioned Tibet so often is that my dog is a Lhasa Apso. I also have a Shih Tzu. I just feel that Tibet would be an interesting religion based civ. Champa sounds interesting too and so does Burma as I mentioned. I will tell you one thing though, if I have a question about civs in Southeast Asia. You'll be the first person I'd ask.

I never even heard of the Champa, which sadly goes to show you how much I really know about the history of that area of the world.

I had to brush up on the details - I only know about them peripherally, since I take an interest in the history of countries I visit and came across the references to the Cham invasion of Yasodharapura while reading up on Cambodia.

Spoiler :

From what I have briefly the Champa, they are seafarers dealing in trade. Eaglewood is mentioned as their most important export, they also provided fresh water to coastal shipping from a huge network of wells. Religion played a role as time went on, beginning with Hinduism, Buddhism, and ending up with the people converting to Islam. They were conquered over time by the Vietnamese, and the last Cham territories were annexed in 1832.

I wonder what kind of ships they had an what their army consisted of.

"I found that champa army has around 40k soldiers and they are the royal Soldiers, but the best part of the champa is Navy, many researchers consider champa is like Viking in Asia, they are the good Pirates here in asia.

and also they have a big quantity of Elephant and Siege Weapon on the Back of Elephant.
they also has Archer, Crossbowman, Javelin
their infantry usually uses long Sword (it is the combine between Stick around 0.7m with Falchion around 0.7m, and they have the weapon aroung 1.4m)
they also uses Halbardier .

their Amour is not too much , they have Wooden Shield, no shoes, the helmet look like the Helmet of Shiva or Brahma or Vishnu statue usually have. their Amour is simple normal clothes, some kind of army even has no shirt only has wearing in lower part. and some has the Rhinos Hide Amour (small quantity, just used for the royal Guard to protect the king (Jaya))

and their have 2 feudal lord, is Kau Clan living in Kauthara, and Pandur Clan living in Panduranga, the king will be elected by Great Assembly. and the king was chosen must be the one of Kau Clan or Pandur Clan."

Here is a link for further reading if anyone is interested. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=218026

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Thanks, I didn't know most of that.

 

[MARDUK80]

For Southeast Asia, I'd like to see the Pagan Kingdom. Fits the Religious Theme very well. But I don't think the 9th Civ should or is going to be a Southeast Asian one.

Interesting suggestion! Never heard of it before. It looks like good suggestion... hmm, have to think about the unique combos. Perhaps we can come up with decent concept for the CiV Leader/Civs Wanted list.

 

[Canox]

I think Africa is already represented quite good now with 4 Civs, except the southern part (speaking geographically). I wouldn't mind the Zulu (yet another warmonger Civ, but at least African to cover the southern part), but I think there are far more interesting possibilities like a Civ which benefits from snow, tundra, ice tiles. Such a Civ would appeal to me because it's something new, different and at last there would be a Civ which can use those useless tiles. Also a native (indian) American tribe would deserve to get included. That would add additional diversity to the game.

A little bit OT but don't you miss more (defensive) culture oriented Civs? I mean a Civ which gets cultural bonuses or has a UB/UI which improves culture ouput (not counting Ethiopia, that's just a turtle UA with a turtle UU). The only real defensive culture oriented Civ for me is maybe Egypt.

 

[Louis XXIV]

It all depends on what Ethiopia's other trait is. If it's a Stele, that would likely be cultural (or perhaps faith or perhaps both).

 

[GenjiKhan]

A little bit OT but don't you miss more (defensive) culture oriented Civs? I mean a Civ which gets cultural bonuses or has a UB/UI which improves culture ouput (not counting Ethiopia, that's just a turtle UA with a turtle UU). The only real defensive culture oriented Civ for me is maybe Egypt.

I'd say France would be in a similar situation of Egypt,but their ability is better enjoyed when they have more cities(either through Pacific or Hostile ways) . Two of my bets for the last Civ has a UA that would be consider defensive culture-oriented Civ,like Egypt(suggestions taken from this thread) :

Indonesia ( Majapahit )
Unique Ability: Ten Kingdoms. Indonesian Civilization gets a Culture Boost and gains Golden Age points when moving to next Era.

Brazil
Unique Ability: Ordem e Progresso. Culture and Faith generation increased 50% during Golden Ages and less penalties for Unhappiness (like no loss of GA points and less penalties on strength of units)

I've given the suggestion for Brazilian UA and the main component of this UA is the minimized Unhappiness penalties . The culture/Faith bonus during GA was just a lazy way I found to reward the player who keeps Happiness level positive(it should be changed to avoid being overpowered for Cultural Victories) . Also they have an UB called Sambadrome,which would replace Opera house and probably gives some bonus related to Luxury resources(since Brazil was never been a Civilization in Civ series before,I couldn't say this would be the best bonus or even the best UB)

 

[Civciv5]

Does China think that they owned Tibet since the Shang Dynasty?
They have to be really crazy to think that.
The Tibetan Empire captured Chang'an at one point and threatened to conquer all of China if they didn't pay tribute.
They don't have the right to banish Tibet as a DLC,Tibet was a country entirely independent from China.
And if they do that,then they are really acting stupid,childish and ridiculous.

 

[Louis XXIV]

The Chinese government exercises a very strict censorship over video games. Previous Civ games have had to be modified in China. Tibet is a very sensitive issue for them. So, yes, they very well might try to censor civ in order to promote their ideal version of history.

 

[nokmirt]

Does China think that they owned Tibet since the Shang Dynasty?
They have to be really crazy to think that.
The Tibetan Empire captured Chang'an at one point and threatened to conquer all of China if they didn't pay tribute.
They don't have the right to banish Tibet as a DLC,Tibet was a country entirely independent from China.
And if they do that,then they are really acting stupid,childish and ridiculous.

That made me upset when I read that too last night. They act like little babies over there. BOO HOO HOO China!!! Tibet should be independent now and not under the yoke of the Chinese. Tibet should be represented in Civ, any country or nation should get a shot, regardless of current world politics. This is a game and it should be viewed as such IMO!