Converting All Citizens in Large City

[Minou]

Is there an issue that makes it impossible to convert the last citizen in a very large city? When the city was at 10 of 20 citizens converted, I was generally able to convert one citizen for every one or two charges. All late game though, I would have this city at 27 of 28 citizens converted, 28 of 29 converted etc. I just killed two enemy missionaries near the city for bursts of religious pressure and then used about 10 apostle charges but just can't convert that last non-believer for some reason.... (the city is at 30 pop in case it is hard to see).

Probably makes no real difference to the game but it got me curious.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

This is just because other religions (and atheist) have their pressure not eliminated and these pressures sum up to 1 citizens.

Remember that religious combat victory does not remove existing pressure of atheist. To get 30 you must have your pressure >59 times (29.5:0.5) more than atheist.

 

[Minou]

Interesting - though I am still confused why it only took 1 or 2 charges to convert citizens when I was at e.g. 25 of 29 converted, but now 10 charges do nothing?

If it matters there are 6 cities of my religion nearby adding pressure and 3 of other religions adding enemy religion pressure (from two different religions) farther away but in range. I have 5 trade routes (2 to cities of my religion, 3 to city of other religions) - forgot exactly how they work.

At one point the city was actually majority Buddhist due to a Rock Band that must have had the religious rock promotion. After that I was getting conversions for 1-2 charges so it was actually easy to convert fully Buddhist citizens than this one holdout atheist.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

Interesting - though I am still confused why it only took 1 or 2 charges to convert citizens when I was at e.g. 25 of 29 converted, but now 10 charges do nothing?

If it matters there are 6 cities of my religion nearby adding pressure and 3 of other religions adding enemy religion pressure (from two different religions) farther away but in range. I have 5 trade routes (2 to cities of my religion, 3 to city of other religions) - forgot exactly how they work.

At one point the city was actually majority Buddhist due to a Rock Band that must have had the religious rock promotion. After that I was getting conversions for 1-2 charges so it was actually easy to convert fully Buddhist citizens than this one holdout atheist.

Suppose there is 100 atheist pressure, to get 26 you need 25.5:4.5 so 570 pressure, to get 27 you need 26.5:3.5 so you need 750 pressure, to get 28 you need 27.5:2.5 so you need 1100, to get 29 you need 28.5:1.5 so you need 1900, to get 30 you need 5900.

For the final follower you need about 3 times the pressure than the total pressure you need to convert all of the remaining n-1 followers.

So to get 1 more follower you basically need 180,350, 800, and 4,000 more pressure when you already have 26,27,28,29 followers, respectively. Yes the requirement grows at an increasing speed.

 

[Minou]

Oh, wow I did not realize it scaled so rapidly. Thanks!

 

[Victoria]

I thought it was based on sum exerted belief and therefore a reduction of their existing belief is far more powerful than adding more ‘charges’.
Interesting.

 

[Beaver79]

What if you starved the city so it lost 1 pop? Does an atheist die or does a turtle follower? When it grows another pop is it automatically atheist or does it start as a turtle? If it's the latter then just starve the non-believers.