Core

[CivOasis]

I was thinking of starting it the day before the closing was announced (not carried out), so that a few players could be part of the last-minute immigrants.

 

[Terrance888]

That'd be cool too. .

 

[JohannaK]

I concur. Ubercool.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Non-Original Player Comment:

So, after/before the closing, will Core still be a bastion poverty and a hell hole? Or will it still be a paradice?

 

[CivOasis]

Neither.

Core, at the time of the closing, is incredibly diverged from both the intended "paradise" and the borderline-anarchy of Year 208.

For a bit of detail:
-Bruike hasn't been invented yet.
-The mafias are near-nonexistant, but outside terrorism, unorganised crime, and gang warfare are common.
-Electricity for all!
-Vehicles. Cars, boats, etc.
-You still have most of the basic government functions running properly.
-Instead of "everybody starves and dies young", you have "everybody gets highly rationed food and resources"
-Near-military police forces
-15 million inhabitants
-Most technology passes as contemporary, some edges slightly into sci-fi
-Political and public division between those who were chosen to be inhabitants of Core (~1 million) and those who were allowed in (~14 million), as well as the balance of resources, actual authority of varying groups, and, ofc, whether or not to close the gates
-Contact with an extant outside world (large portions of which will be resentful that they are being left to die)
-It's unlikely that a building will fall and crush you
-People want to get IN the city, not out.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Would immigrants (one of the 14 million) be generally poorer and possibly a target of hate crimes? Or possibly living in improvised shanty towns rather than buildings?

 

[CivOasis]

They do live in the slums between the 1st and 2nd walls, at least partially because the city wasn't built to hold remotely that many inhabitants, especially that quickly.

As for the hate crimes, whenever resources are short, people are going to blame whoever wasn't "chosen" for the job, but that's less of an issue in this time period, and will come out a bit more in later generations.

 

[NinjaCow64]

They do live in the slums between the 1st and 2nd walls, at least partially because the city wasn't built to hold remotely that many inhabitants, especially that quickly.

As for the hate crimes, whenever resources are short, people are going to blame whoever wasn't "chosen" for the job, but that's less of an issue in this time period, and will come out a bit more in later generations.

I was thinking more along the lines of some of the richer citizens paying some of the poorer citizens to forcibly eject (or kill) other poor citizens for the reason that there isn't enough room in the city. Would that be a possibilty of happening?

 

[CivOasis]

I suppose so, but I would find it more likely that the rich would just bribe people for more food and resources.

Especially since the rich actually live in the city, and the poor are just sitting in the fields/swamps around the outskirts.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Sorry for the double post, but I was wondering, how were the original 1 million selected? Richest people and their families? Lottery? A mixture of both?

 

[CivOasis]

Primarily the people who developed the idea for the city, built it, or designed the grand scheme of the plan.

After that, there's a degree of "What kinds of people are needed to run a self-sufficient city?"

Granted, there're a lot of politics involved, so you see a bit of a demographic shift and controversial figures - Despite being in Panama, the city is going to have heavy influence from Canadians, New Zealanders, Americans, Japanese, and Australians (the major funders and developers of the project), and quite a few "financial contributors" are going to find themselves on the short list, regardless of actual usefulness.

 

[NinjaCow64]

I suppose so, but I would find it more likely that the rich would just bribe people for more food and resources.

Especially since the rich actually live in the city, and the poor are just sitting in the fields/swamps around the outskirts.

Well, I'm asssuming that just before the closing off is when there is actually a fair bit of resources for the rich (the 1 million) so they wouldn't need to bribe people for that.

And coming from Australia myself, I know quite a bit about the whole "I don't want them bloody immigrants in my city" mentality.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Primarily the people who developed the idea for the city, built it, or designed the grand scheme of the plan.

After that, there's a degree of "What kinds of people are needed to run a self-sufficient city?"

Granted, there're a lot of politics involved, so you see a bit of a demographic shift and controversial figures - Despite being in Panama, the city is going to have heavy influence from Canadians, New Zealanders, Americans, Japanese, and Australians (the major funders and developers of the project), and quite a few "financial contributors" are going to find themselves on the short list, regardless of actual usefulness.

So that means that there are going to be the obscenely rich, the useful citizens and the massive hordes of the poor shoved into this one city? Awesome.

 

[CivOasis]

The city is designed for a starting population of 1 million, with progressive developments designed for gradual and carefully monitored growth, including immigration.

It was planned for some immigration, and the closing of the gates eventually, but neither was anticipated on the scale or timeframe that occured (15 times the expected starting population in under twenty years).

 

[NinjaCow64]

So just for clarfication, is the world outside of Core dying from global warming or something?

 

[CivOasis]

That's part of it. Throw in some war and running out of fossil fuels (that last one being a biggie), and you've got a couple more reasons. There's more to it than that, but you get the general idea.

 

[KaiserElectric]

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[CivOasis]

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