Croatian Civilization

back in those days disagreements went to a "fued" gun battle.

That slanderer wasn't very respected if he could not set up a gun battle.... and obviously was not very good at hand combat, if he got tossed of a balcony.
 
New version is out:
1.02:
Croats as playable civ
-Features Croat city names
-Four historical leaders:
--Tomislav(Spiritual, Philosophical, favors Organized Religion)
--Nikola Subic Zrinski(Creative, Financial, favors Hereditary Rule)
--Josip Jelacic(Aggressive, Expansive, favors Nationhood)
--Ante Starcevic(Organized, Industrious, favors Emancipation)
-Unique unit: Mechanized Guard Brigade(same as regular Mechanized Infantry but starts with the Commando promotion and unique skin)
-Unique sounds for Croatian leaders on diploscreen
-Unique sound for units
-Unique names for UU units

Download 1.02
 
Nice.. Downloading Right Now..

Ban Jelacic Time
 
Works for me ....
 
I am having lots of fun playing with this mod.. Awesome Job Anima
 
I tried it and there are things that I like and things that I dislike (I'm sure that you already know what am I thinking about ;))

What I like are the sounds for selecting and ordering the units. The idea of using actual quotes are great! :)

I'm not sure from which period that flag origins (it represents Croatia, Dalmatia and Slavonia, right?), it's really nice and you wouldn't make a mistake with official flag too because it's also very nice.

But (there is always a but, right? ;)) when I heard the songs that you used for diplo and war diplo music I got very very dissapointed...

I understand your (Croatian) feelings towards 1991.-1995. war ("Domovinski rat") and I understand what it means to you. I am from Belgrade, from Serbia, and I totally agree that war was started by Belgrade (by S.Milosevic) and that Croatian people were defending against great military force and sick Serbian nationalistic ideas.

I understand that Croatian people didn't want the war. Also I understand that Croatian regime in that time had to use propaganda to motivate people to defend the country. I understand why today Croatian people still have such strong national feeling.

I have a lot of friends in Croatia and I travel to Zagreb at least once in a year and I didn't have any problem when I went to Croatia (I visited almost whole Croatia from Beli Manastir and Osijek via Koprivnica, Zagreb, Rijeka to Split) and I know that that strong national feeling is not aggressive towards non-Croats. I must say that I as a Serb feel very comfortable in Croatia - in Zagreb, in Split (you can see my travel report from Split on my homepage), in Koprivnica, in Rijeka...

But (here comes the point) one thing is strong national feeling and the other is ustasha's ideology (I'm sure that I don't have to explain who were ustashas and their leader Ante Pavelic during WWII) and you know why I am mentioning this. For diplo sounds for Croatia mod you took 2 songs of croatian singer called Thompson who is representative and promoter of ustasha's ideology today in Croatia.

I'm very sorry but for me this is totally unacceptable. Please don't take this personally because I'm still very greatfull for what you did for Yugoslavia mod. I know that you have the right to make your mod in the way that you like but I must say that I can not play this mod because of this since I find Thompson and his songs very insultive, not just towards Serbs but towards humanity, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one. If your intention was to make this mod just for Croats than ok, but I'm also sure that there are a lot of Croats who will also find this insultive and who wouldn't like it like I would be insulted if someone makes Serbia mod with chetnicks and Radovan Karadzic as a leader.

You said that you will avoid Tudjman as a leader because of it's controversy and because it's early. I must say that I would much more easily swallow Tudjman than Thompson, even though I have a lot of negative feeling towards Tudjman too. I know that Tudjman did leave some positive work behind.

But Thompson??? He is 100% negative and I just don't get it how could you skip Tudjman and put Thompson's songs?!?!?...

I hope that this will not cause flamming - I just had to write this because for me there is no room for Thompson inside something which can be world wide.

With Thompson it's not even Croatia wide.
 
Ah.. nationalism, destroyed us all, now we are few weak and poor small countrys which EU and USA can toy with however they wish. And we also implant ourselves capitalism, yuck. ;) Oh and srdjann, thompson is nothing other than a commercial singer, he singed those kind of songs in time of war when they were popular and now they're popular in few nationalists heads and some stupid kids, so he's just another capitalist money-grabber from weakminded nationalists heads. Well enough with the stupid politics, I'm just downloading the mod, gonna check it soon then comment again.
 
There played it, very nice change since the last version, well that's not too much of a insulting diplo song of thompson srdjan, don't know about war song, didn't head it yet. But maybe for a peace diplo song Anima Croatorum you could put Croatian anthem better but its your mod, you have right to do it however you please. Good job, and I'm glad you got rid of that Sanader from leaders, he's really doesn't deserve to be in the historical leaders. :) Ante Pavelic would not be my choice of leaders too, because he was just a Hitlers back-licker but as I said, your mod, your right. :)
 
srdjann said:
With Thompson it's not even Croatia wide.
Click to expand...

I understand your sentiments, but there is nothing politically incorrect with either of the tunes used(maaybe croat_war_intro is somewhat grey, but in a broader context the phrase is just a part of a 19th century Croat greeting, the same one out of which bog/bok is derived)

Thompson may be an idiot, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with either of the tunes, and plus, the main theme is band-aidish, its sung by a large number of Croatian artists. In either of the themes there is not a single word that could be considered insultive, I'm not twelve.

I'm not promoting Thompson, he does a fine job ridiculing himself. And he doesnt promote anything anymore, since he's blacklisted and under the magnifying glass of the press.

But to claim that either of these songs is any form of fascist propaganda or was intended as fascist propaganda is simply not true. Bojna Čavoglave is the most recognizable song from the war period and to many it represents the spirit that rallied our people to hold off the aggression. We did not fight because of propaganda, but because we had no other option. It was literaly liberty or death. I dont want to go through remembering what went on just a few km from here, on the other side of Drava. The first half, the one used has absolutely nothing against any group in any possible interpretation.

And the other song. It merely focuses on Croat regions and natural beauties. Sung by a dozen artists.

To claim that either is fascist propaganda would be equal to claim that anything Lepa Brena recorded in 80-ies was fascist propaganda, because of that thing in Brcko, '93/'94(not sure of the year anymore) when she was parading around in RS uniform.

If its that big of deal, I'll put Škoro instead.

About the flag, its the royal flag, Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia, the 1848. version fielded by Ban Jelačić. First tri-color with crest. The problem with the modern flag is that the crown crests are too small for a 128x128 flag.
 
I think the songs are great.

I didnt hear anything mentioned in them, that anyone would find offensive
I vote to keep them.

Srdjann,u seem to be concerned about some things maybe the artist said in certain interviews or so, so u feel like he's just a talented redneck, kinda like a country singer in the USA. Trust me there are some messed up songs in the USA too like "sticking a boot up the ass" of the people who did the 9/11 osama bin laden .. that was a big hit a few years ago..But that can't be compared to the songs Anima placed in.

I Really feel like thats digging a bit too deep, just to find something to not like about the civ. Especially when its not even directly at the songs..
 
If anyone cares about my two cents, I agree with Srđan that nothing that Thompson ever sang should not be a musical representation of Croatia. I would not like at all having losers like "Srpski Talibani" singing "Hvala ti Arkane" or some šit like that in "Serbia" mod.

But I would not be "offended". It's a Croatian mod, nothing to do with me, and seeing that I would very rarely play as Croatia, and much more against Croatia in Lankou's SuperCiv patch, hearing Thompson might be extra incentive to conquer it to the last city ;)

Still, I would be... slightly disappointed, is the right word. I wouldn't think, from your point of view, that Thompson's tunes should be representative of your civ in any way. The suggestion that Thompson "doesn't really mean it but just sings it for idiots who get off on it" - well I simply don't buy that, but even if that was the case, would be irrelevant for me.
 
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