I have to approve because of Byzantium, Scythia, the Holy Roman Empire, Gaul, Timur and Charlemagne, but please not Justinian or Theodora yet again. Constantine, Belisarius, Heraclius, Irene of Athens, Alexios I Komnenos or even a returning Basil II. So many interesting leaders to pick from other than these two.
Agreed, would swap Theodora with one of those on hindsight
Since it seems like Catherine the Great and Frederick the Great might be getting in the base game, I have to change it up.Here's what I roughly think might happen:
Crossroads of the World:
4 civs: Assyria, Byzantines, Ottomans, Russia (if not in base game) or Armenia
Leaders: Sargon, Catherine the Great (if Russia is in this DLC) or Roxelana.
Right to Rule
4 civs: Poland, Aztec, Prussia/Germany (if not in base game) or Goths, Edo Japan
Leaders: Charlemagne, Taizong
Edit: Changed Shammuramat to Sargon and Franks to Goths
I still think there are more disassociated wonders from the other eras yet to be revealed. I don’t believe they will all be from Antiquity. Considering the main gaps to fill, I’d say Assyria and Tonga are the most likely for this pack.
I think Britain was confirmed for the base roster
You might be right. I did leave off the Nabateans because they seem the least likely, and well Babylon seems too basic. Plus, I want Assyria more.
I've been going back and forth on this considering they were only mentioned by Ed in an interview about a potential Roman>Norman path. In that case they might get Oxford unless Big Ben shows up.
I don't expect them in CotW, but it would be a nice surprise to get them eventually. (Or another pre-Islamic Arab civ like the Ghassanids.) They'd also pair nicely with Zenobia...
Scythians have been spotted as an Independant Power in the Navigable Rivers short.
I'm quite sure about there will be 13 civs for each Age, and it means only 3 of DLC civs are Antiquity ones.
We don’t know exactly how precisely HIDDEN is supposed to cover the text, so there is a non-zero chance that it may cover any text that is significantly shorter than the box.I wonder if 39 or any number between 31 and 38 might have been at one point considered as a base game roster, or something close to a rudimentary selection of civs the same way I suspect that Poland was intended to be base game Civ VI at some point, as Jadwiga was on the civet chart, winged hussars were in the release trailer and Polish soundtrack and color jersey made its way to the base game files. Now we may have seen civ selection screen from a build that has placeholders for DLC civs and we may have seen a leader that fits better with a DLC civ than a base game one. If so, the upside is that the devs may have to crunch less upon the incredibly complicated civ designs and art, so I intend not to moan about the DLC monetisation schemes at all. (ironically, this post has also been cut up into two for the purpose of two different threads)
Now if we weren't there before, and because I'm currently very bored, now we're entering crackpot theory territory: I propose that neither of Britain nor Germany may be base game. A piece of evidence I put forward is the Norman civ selection screen, which most likely would have the last European civ on it obscured. To find out which one fits the most, I found the font used on the screenshot (most likely Core Sans AR 45) and recreated every piece of text on it as closely as I could. I assumed that the HIDDEN boxes obscured pretty much exactly as much as they had to, because it matches perfectly with Charlemagne's name. Red is for names that don't fit, green is for names that do:
Spoiler :
America fits perfectly (its perfect down to the last pixel - there are 4 pixels between the end of "Charlemagne" and the end of the HIDDEN box in my measurements, and there are 4 between the beginning of the second HIDDEN box and the start of hypothetical "America"), Britain a little bit is too short, Prussia is close, Russia wouldn't be there anyway and Germany has no chance to fit. Now, I have been wrong more than once about civ selection screens, so take it with an abnormally big grain of salt. To summarise, I don't know if we've learned anything from my experiment. Maybe except that we probably aren't getting another Norman leader.
America fits perfectly (its perfect down to the last pixel - there are 4 pixels between the end of "Charlemagne" and the end of the HIDDEN box in my measurements, and there are 4 between the beginning of the second HIDDEN box and the start of hypothetical "America"), Britain a little bit is too short, Prussia is close, Russia wouldn't be there anyway and Germany has no chance to fit. Now, I have been wrong more than once about civ selection screens, so take it with an abnormally big grain of salt. To summarise, I don't know if we've learned anything from my experiment. Maybe except that we probably aren't getting another Norman leader.
Perhaps the most valuable graphic we have at the moment... The four pixel observation is notable, but I think the fact that one is at the start and one is at the end means it isn't too uniform. I'm betting on Prussia, personally.
The other gaps are notably 3-5 pixels wide, but it depends on how you count due to subpixel rendering. The margin is overall bizarrely uniform, even though I assume nobody was covering the text with a ruler. The most likely candidate now is America if you ask me, but if we are going to go with this speculation (and if I've done everything properly making the graphic), Prussia is on the verge of potentiality.
I will take it with a pixel of salt!
America is the most likely going off of the pixel evidence, but that means no Germany OR Britain, and it's hard to imagine Ottomans AND Russia if they're trying to balance geography. I'm running with the assumption that America isn't unlocked by Norman because of that (it's actually because I just want Prussia but shhhh that's a secret)
If the Normans are supposed to be the English representation of Exploration, then it makes perfect sense for them to move to America. This leaves the Modern Age with two European civilizations, following the same pattern as previous eras: France and Russia (or France and America, if you consider Russia as Central Asia and America as culturally European).I wonder if 39 or any number between 31 and 38 might have been at one point considered as a base game roster, or something close to a rudimentary selection of civs the same way I suspect that Poland was intended to be base game Civ VI at some point, as Jadwiga was on the civet chart, winged hussars were in the release trailer and Polish soundtrack and color jersey made its way to the base game files. Now we may have seen civ selection screen from a build that has placeholders for DLC civs and we may have seen a leader that fits better with a DLC civ than a base game one. If so, the upside is that the devs may have to crunch less upon the incredibly complicated civ designs and art, so I intend not to moan about the DLC monetisation schemes at all. (ironically, this post has also been cut up into two for the purpose of two different threads)
Now if we weren't there before, and because I'm currently very bored, now we're entering crackpot theory territory: I propose that neither of Britain nor Germany may be base game. A piece of evidence I put forward is the Norman civ selection screen, which most likely would have the last European civ on it obscured. To find out which one fits the most, I found the font used on the screenshot (most likely Core Sans AR 45) and recreated every piece of text on it as closely as I could. I assumed that the HIDDEN boxes obscured pretty much exactly as much as they had to, because it matches perfectly with Charlemagne's name. Red is for names that don't fit, green is for names that do:
Spoiler :
America fits perfectly (its perfect down to the last pixel - there are 4 pixels between the end of "Charlemagne" and the end of the HIDDEN box in my measurements, and there are 4 between the beginning of the second HIDDEN box and the start of hypothetical "America"), Britain a little bit is too short, Prussia is close, Russia wouldn't be there anyway and Germany has no chance to fit. Now, I have been wrong more than once about civ selection screens, so take it with an abnormally big grain of salt. To summarise, I don't know if we've learned anything from my experiment. Maybe except that we probably aren't getting another Norman leader.
We've at least seen evidence of Siam through a screenshot that was labeled Modern Siam city, or something similar. British, Russian, and German wonders have been seen so as right now that's why they are more likely.
