CS-1 - Farmer's Paradise
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Sina
Warlord
I can get and play it tomorrow. 
chriseay
The Master Trader
Woebearer said:
Hmm, you sure got me paying attention this morning!
Cool Sina on playing tomorrow.
Sina
Warlord
Got it. Will be playing in about 2 cups of coffee and a shower.
Sina
Warlord
(0)1570AD:
I'm surprised that Baghdad is still there and that I still have to check the spelling.
I'll wait with changing civics until the next GP is born in 4 turns. I lower science to 40% at +59gpt. Gunpowder still in 4 and it's a good opportunity to collect the cash to uprade the maces when Chemistry comes in.
(1)1575AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Bank
St. Petersburg: Grocer -> Caravel. There is a barb Galley destroying our nets and we don't have any guard!
Yaroslavl: Missionary -> Missionary
(2)1580AD:
Rostov: Knight -> Knight
Orenburg: Worker -> Forge
IBT: Hatty wants Theology. She's backwards and annoyed, so I give in.
(3)1585AD:
Rostov: Knight -> Knight
Yaroslavl: Missionary -> University
Yekaterinburg: Forge -> Granary
IBT: Barb Galley attacks a Caravel I found somewhere and dies.
(3)1590AD:
Gunpowder is in.
Moscow: Bank -> Cat
St. Petersburg: Caravel -> Work Boat
Vladivostok: Granary -> Forge
Sinan is born in Moscow and sleeping for now.
Change civics to Free Market and Free Religion.
(4)1595AD:
Order is restored again.
MM here and there and science is now at 70% at +39gpt and Chemistry in 6.
(5)1600AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Cat
Rostov: Knight -> Musket (building 2 for each stack)
Apache: Granary -> Lighthouse
Where are those Caravels in Rostov coming from and what's the plan for them. Can't remember that being descibed in the last report so will put them somewhere at our coast.
(6)1605AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Musket
St. Petersburg: Workboat -> Cat
(7)1610AD:
Moscow: Musket -> Cat
Rostov: Musket -> Musket
IBT: Capac wants to get Gunpowder for Divine Right and gold...no deal.
(8)1615AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Musket
St. Petersburg: Cat -> University
Yakutsk: Library -> Harbor
IBT: JC wants OB and I realize that I forgot to check for that. I'll leave it to the next player now.
(9)1620AD:
Moscow: Musket -> Cat
Rostov: Musket -> Harbor
Yaroslavl: University -> Market
Apache: Lighthouse -> Harbor
(10)1625 AD:
Chemistry is in and Scientific Method in 7.
Moscow: Cat -> Grenadier
Yekaterinburg: University -> Harbor
There is enough money in the bank to uprade the few Maces we have and an Axe or two. The attack stacks are ready then and the war can begin right away. Have some fun with Saladin!
We might want to whip/build a few defenders for home as well though. We don't really have any defence at the moment.
Sorry that I played turn 3 twice. Turning the page after the first one and didn't count on correctly then. I never noticed as 1625 was the natural finish date.
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I'm surprised that Baghdad is still there and that I still have to check the spelling.
I'll wait with changing civics until the next GP is born in 4 turns. I lower science to 40% at +59gpt. Gunpowder still in 4 and it's a good opportunity to collect the cash to uprade the maces when Chemistry comes in.
(1)1575AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Bank
St. Petersburg: Grocer -> Caravel. There is a barb Galley destroying our nets and we don't have any guard!
Yaroslavl: Missionary -> Missionary
(2)1580AD:
Rostov: Knight -> Knight
Orenburg: Worker -> Forge
IBT: Hatty wants Theology. She's backwards and annoyed, so I give in.
(3)1585AD:
Rostov: Knight -> Knight
Yaroslavl: Missionary -> University
Yekaterinburg: Forge -> Granary
IBT: Barb Galley attacks a Caravel I found somewhere and dies.
(3)1590AD:
Gunpowder is in.
Moscow: Bank -> Cat
St. Petersburg: Caravel -> Work Boat
Vladivostok: Granary -> Forge
Sinan is born in Moscow and sleeping for now.
Change civics to Free Market and Free Religion.
(4)1595AD:
Order is restored again.
MM here and there and science is now at 70% at +39gpt and Chemistry in 6.
(5)1600AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Cat
Rostov: Knight -> Musket (building 2 for each stack)
Apache: Granary -> Lighthouse
Where are those Caravels in Rostov coming from and what's the plan for them. Can't remember that being descibed in the last report so will put them somewhere at our coast.
(6)1605AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Musket
St. Petersburg: Workboat -> Cat
(7)1610AD:
Moscow: Musket -> Cat
Rostov: Musket -> Musket
IBT: Capac wants to get Gunpowder for Divine Right and gold...no deal.
(8)1615AD:
Moscow: Cat -> Musket
St. Petersburg: Cat -> University
Yakutsk: Library -> Harbor
IBT: JC wants OB and I realize that I forgot to check for that. I'll leave it to the next player now.
(9)1620AD:
Moscow: Musket -> Cat
Rostov: Musket -> Harbor
Yaroslavl: University -> Market
Apache: Lighthouse -> Harbor
(10)1625 AD:
Chemistry is in and Scientific Method in 7.
Moscow: Cat -> Grenadier
Yekaterinburg: University -> Harbor
There is enough money in the bank to uprade the few Maces we have and an Axe or two. The attack stacks are ready then and the war can begin right away. Have some fun with Saladin!
We might want to whip/build a few defenders for home as well though. We don't really have any defence at the moment.
Sorry that I played turn 3 twice. Turning the page after the first one and didn't count on correctly then. I never noticed as 1625 was the natural finish date.
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chriseay
The Master Trader
Good turns Sina! Looks like we're finally ready for a war. What's Saladin defending with now, if we can see anything? Still longbows or is he up to muskets or grenadiers? I'm hoping it's bows!
Roster:
chriseay
Beestar
Morred - skipped for being mia
Woebearer
Sina - just played
Snaproll - up now
Roster:
chriseay
Beestar
Morred - skipped for being mia
Woebearer
Sina - just played
Snaproll - up now
Sina
Warlord
He's got just Longbows,WE and I think I also saw a Pike which is a problem for our Knights. But that is about the only problem. Moscow produces a Gren in 2 turns and we have 5 maces that should be upgraded. Rostov should also be set to produce units after the harbor finishes next turn. It is a fast producer as well.
The caravels were returning to load up potential missionaries and spread confusism, to help defend against a sea assault from Sal once we go to war, or to deal with any barb galleys in the area. In general, they were better uses for them than busting sea fog or scouting far off cities, so I sent them home for the time being.
beestar
subdeity
Yep, that's what I was thinking about the Caravels too after we traded for all the maps.
P.S. I remember seeing two macemen in Saladin's territories back in my turnset.
P.S. I remember seeing two macemen in Saladin's territories back in my turnset.
Sina
Warlord
Good. Then I didn't miss something obvious. One is just outside Rostov and the 2nd one is at the southern tip of our continent. Might want to recall that one then.
Before I forget to mention that again...I'll be on holiday from 23rd thru 29th. No computer, just drinks and sightseeing.
Before I forget to mention that again...I'll be on holiday from 23rd thru 29th. No computer, just drinks and sightseeing.
chriseay
The Master Trader
Snaproll said:
No problem Snaproll! I'll be looking forward to your report.
Inherited turn. We are certainly ready for war! Nice set up Sina! I trade Economics to Hayuna Capac for Divine Right and 480 gold, and I change research to Nationalism. I'd like to get the Taj Mahal. With all the new gold I bump research up to 90% - Nationalism will only take 4 turns. I wanted to make this trade before declaring on Saladin, as it will likely make Hayuan mad, seeing as they are the same religion.
I immediately declare war on Saladin and move troops into position. End turn.
Turn 1 - Defenses in Baghdad bombarded down to 11%, no counterattacks from Saladin.
Turn 2 - I finish bombarding the walls in baghdad but I forgot to upgrade macemen to grenadiers, so I'll have to attack next turn. Whoops. I start bombardment in Khurasan as well. I notice that we don't have a forbidden palace yet, wich is understandable given our nice layout. Certainly something to put in Saladin's lands when the time comes.
Turn 3 - Saladin pillages a few meaningless tiles. Baghdad falls, although the battles went a little worse than I would have hoped, as we lose a city raider 2 grenadier despite 90%+ odds. Sigh. I finish bombarding the walls in Khurasan.
Turn 4 - Saladin counterattacks Baghdad but doesn't manage to kill any units. There are several macemen and catapults of his in the area. Khurasan falls with no losses.
Turn 5 - Saladin puts on another counterattack at Baghdad and loses again, but he's stalling our attack by all the damage he's doing. One of his caravels kills our southern caravel, so I'm moving some ships down there. We should start on a bit more Navy, for sure. Nationalism comes in, and I select Replaceable parts next, dialing back our research rate a bit. We could use lumbermills. War weariness is rearing its ugly head in Moscow and St Petersburg. I start a collosseum in Moscow and a Theatre in St. Petersburg to combat these effects.
Turn 6 - Our troops are just resting a bit before moving out. I also notice our great engineer in Moscow - I believe he would be best used to rush Versailles a bit later on.
Turn 7 - Maybe I'm being to cautious, but our troops still aren't healed. Next turn I should be able to move out.
Turn 8 - We pop a great Merchant in Novograd, and I think a trade mission is his best use, so I send him West to get on a boat. I notice we had a great artist there too! So we had a prophet, an artist, AND an engineer lying around? That's pretty funny! I'd like to join the prophet and the artist for a golden age, but I don't know how to make it not use the engineer and the merchant. Anyone know?
I still think the engineer needs to rush Versailles in newly conquered lands, no doubt. I like a trade mission with the merchant. I don't see a need for a culture bomb since we are going to wipe Saladin out completely. So, once the merchant and engineer are used up, I strongly suggest a golden age after that.
Our troops move out
Turn 9 - The @%#^# caravel in the south kills it's THIRD one of ours, despite heavy odds in our favor. Ugh. Our Merchant loads up on a caravel and heads out.
Turn 10 - Our troops are moving into position to capture two more cities. I suggest rushing Versailles in whatever city we are about to capture with our southern stack. Have fun
Consolidated suggestions:
- Research Constitution next - we need to build some jails
- Rush Versailles in the city indicated
- Once Merchant finishes trade mission (and engineer pops Versailles) start a golden age with Artist and Prophet?
- Start lumbermills once replaceable parts finishes up
Save Game
I immediately declare war on Saladin and move troops into position. End turn.
Turn 1 - Defenses in Baghdad bombarded down to 11%, no counterattacks from Saladin.
Turn 2 - I finish bombarding the walls in baghdad but I forgot to upgrade macemen to grenadiers, so I'll have to attack next turn. Whoops. I start bombardment in Khurasan as well. I notice that we don't have a forbidden palace yet, wich is understandable given our nice layout. Certainly something to put in Saladin's lands when the time comes.
Turn 3 - Saladin pillages a few meaningless tiles. Baghdad falls, although the battles went a little worse than I would have hoped, as we lose a city raider 2 grenadier despite 90%+ odds. Sigh. I finish bombarding the walls in Khurasan.
Turn 4 - Saladin counterattacks Baghdad but doesn't manage to kill any units. There are several macemen and catapults of his in the area. Khurasan falls with no losses.
Turn 5 - Saladin puts on another counterattack at Baghdad and loses again, but he's stalling our attack by all the damage he's doing. One of his caravels kills our southern caravel, so I'm moving some ships down there. We should start on a bit more Navy, for sure. Nationalism comes in, and I select Replaceable parts next, dialing back our research rate a bit. We could use lumbermills. War weariness is rearing its ugly head in Moscow and St Petersburg. I start a collosseum in Moscow and a Theatre in St. Petersburg to combat these effects.
Turn 6 - Our troops are just resting a bit before moving out. I also notice our great engineer in Moscow - I believe he would be best used to rush Versailles a bit later on.
Turn 7 - Maybe I'm being to cautious, but our troops still aren't healed. Next turn I should be able to move out.
Turn 8 - We pop a great Merchant in Novograd, and I think a trade mission is his best use, so I send him West to get on a boat. I notice we had a great artist there too! So we had a prophet, an artist, AND an engineer lying around? That's pretty funny! I'd like to join the prophet and the artist for a golden age, but I don't know how to make it not use the engineer and the merchant. Anyone know?
I still think the engineer needs to rush Versailles in newly conquered lands, no doubt. I like a trade mission with the merchant. I don't see a need for a culture bomb since we are going to wipe Saladin out completely. So, once the merchant and engineer are used up, I strongly suggest a golden age after that.
Our troops move out
Turn 9 - The @%#^# caravel in the south kills it's THIRD one of ours, despite heavy odds in our favor. Ugh. Our Merchant loads up on a caravel and heads out.
Turn 10 - Our troops are moving into position to capture two more cities. I suggest rushing Versailles in whatever city we are about to capture with our southern stack. Have fun
Consolidated suggestions:
- Research Constitution next - we need to build some jails
- Rush Versailles in the city indicated
- Once Merchant finishes trade mission (and engineer pops Versailles) start a golden age with Artist and Prophet?
- Start lumbermills once replaceable parts finishes up
Save Game
Sina
Warlord
Great to see the war finally started! Been waiting for this a good while. 
About research...I thought we had to go with the beeline for Biology because of the variant rules. If not, I would have gone towards Military Tradition already in my turnset. We are Russian after all and Cossacks rock.
I agree on the trade mission for the Merchant and Versailles for the Engineer, but would wait with the GA until we are out of war and all our new cities are out of resistance.
I'd suggest to keep all stored GPs in the same location, so that we have don't lose track.
About research...I thought we had to go with the beeline for Biology because of the variant rules. If not, I would have gone towards Military Tradition already in my turnset. We are Russian after all and Cossacks rock.
I agree on the trade mission for the Merchant and Versailles for the Engineer, but would wait with the GA until we are out of war and all our new cities are out of resistance.
I'd suggest to keep all stored GPs in the same location, so that we have don't lose track.
chriseay
The Master Trader
Snaproll said:
You know, I always let the troops heal completely before moving on the next target. I'm not sure this is the best move, but it seems that odds decrease exponentially with damaged units. All anecdotal though.
Snaproll said:
In my experience this is some kind of bug with the game. Even choosing the two you want to use does not always use the two you want to use.
The best work around I've seen is take those great people you'd like to save and expend their movement points for the turn, then launch the GA. I haven't tried this myself though.Sina and Snaproll said:
Yeah I don't think we ever figured how strict we wanted to be on that, but we are fairly close now. I'll take a look at it when I play, should be later today, and decide whether Snaproll's suggested path is better than a beeline to biology.
Great turns Snap! I'm gonna have fun with this war. Do we have enough troops to knock Saladin out completely?
Sina
Warlord
chriseay said:
Yes, I do that as well. I think it has advantages and disadvantages. It drags our wars longer than strictly necessary, but you are safer. Just my impression.
chriseay said:
I much prefer the research as it was done by Snaproll. If it's not a strict beeline, I'd prefer Constitution and MT before Biology. Probably even Rifling. We could use all of those being at war while still keeping the benefits of the Monasteries.
BTW: I forgot to mention it and just remembered. We need to whip a Christian Monastery before Scientific Method finishes. I don't think we have one yet.
beestar
subdeity
I remember storing away that Great Artist many turnsets ago when it looked like we were going to attack Saladin with Swordsmen
Are Jails useful? I've never built them in my games, usually I just raise the culture slider.
Are Jails useful? I've never built them in my games, usually I just raise the culture slider.
chriseay
The Master Trader
Inherited Turn - Alright, we're at war. I figure I'll just keep on our research path from before, and we'll go for biology after Replaceable Parts and Military Tradition. I also hit the culture slider up to 10% help with the war weariness. We're still at 1 turn for Rep. Parts.
Turn 1 - Workers everywhere start on lumbermills! Many are nicely positioned by Snaproll. The great merchant and caravel are heading towards Beijing. It seems like the best city that we have open borders with. I start the bombardment of Narjan, but will wait till next turn to attack. The city had 125% cultural defense! This is the city in the south.
Turn 2 - There are no counter attacks in the interturn, I think Saladin is running out of steam. Caesar comes with this deal, and I say no way.
Two cats suicide on Najran, with one surviving, and then through suckiness of the RNG I don't take the city. There are two weaks Longbows left, so hopefully I'll be able to take it next turn. In other news, at Damascus the RNG loves me. We take it with no losses.
Turn 3 - The turn starts with the capture of Najran, splitting Arabia in 2. Our forces in the North are weak at best, so I'm going to hold off and send most reinforcements there. I've also upped the culture slider to 30%. War weariness is tough. I decide to check the trades available, and get silk + spices from Caesar for ivory + dyes. I get fur + incense from Mao for the same thing from us. This allows me to lower the culture slider to zero, and Military Tradition is now 4 turns rather than 7!
Turn 4 - Stack is healing in Damascus, 3 turns, and then it will move south on Basra and Medina.
Turn 6 - Mao comes asking for Chemistry. I think I don't want to give it to him, not sure of this idea though. I don't, but what does everyone else think?
Turn 7 - Military Tradition comes in, now we go to Biology. First up is Scientific Method. I start moving the southern army towards the twin cities, though I may not be able to take them in my turns.
Turn 9 - I may take 3 cities on my last turn. We should have at least Basra, and possibly Medina and Kufah.
Turn 10 - Ok, this might be a hell of a last turn. Firstly is this...
Then this, no losses!
Then this, again with no losses.
And then this.
What an amazing turn. Just some consolidation and healing and we should be able to get rid of Saladin completely.
Turn 1 - Workers everywhere start on lumbermills! Many are nicely positioned by Snaproll. The great merchant and caravel are heading towards Beijing. It seems like the best city that we have open borders with. I start the bombardment of Narjan, but will wait till next turn to attack. The city had 125% cultural defense! This is the city in the south.
Turn 2 - There are no counter attacks in the interturn, I think Saladin is running out of steam. Caesar comes with this deal, and I say no way.
Two cats suicide on Najran, with one surviving, and then through suckiness of the RNG I don't take the city. There are two weaks Longbows left, so hopefully I'll be able to take it next turn. In other news, at Damascus the RNG loves me. We take it with no losses.
Turn 3 - The turn starts with the capture of Najran, splitting Arabia in 2. Our forces in the North are weak at best, so I'm going to hold off and send most reinforcements there. I've also upped the culture slider to 30%. War weariness is tough. I decide to check the trades available, and get silk + spices from Caesar for ivory + dyes. I get fur + incense from Mao for the same thing from us. This allows me to lower the culture slider to zero, and Military Tradition is now 4 turns rather than 7!
Turn 4 - Stack is healing in Damascus, 3 turns, and then it will move south on Basra and Medina.
Turn 6 - Mao comes asking for Chemistry. I think I don't want to give it to him, not sure of this idea though. I don't, but what does everyone else think?
Turn 7 - Military Tradition comes in, now we go to Biology. First up is Scientific Method. I start moving the southern army towards the twin cities, though I may not be able to take them in my turns.
Turn 9 - I may take 3 cities on my last turn. We should have at least Basra, and possibly Medina and Kufah.
Turn 10 - Ok, this might be a hell of a last turn. Firstly is this...
Then this, no losses!
Then this, again with no losses.
And then this.
What an amazing turn. Just some consolidation and healing and we should be able to get rid of Saladin completely.
