Culture (Unit + Quarter) Speculation Thread

[8housesofelixir]

Yeah, it's quite clearly a cruise missile, with that air intake thingie, but a question remains. It could be the generic one or the more modern emblematic one, and I'm inclined for the first option, as it looks really modern, but I can't find the exact model in Google and looks like a mish-mash of various models, but I'm not an expert.

Also, this thing looks like a cruise missile - it has wings and empennages, shapes like V-1 and other early cruise missiles - but in the video it is delivered vertically with a high altitude trajectory, something usually only a ballistic missile will do.

 

[MasterPaw]

Yeah i think misisle would launch from either aircraft quarter or a dedicated one/fort with upgrade?

Im not expert by far either but can't the wings work too by doing vertical one then going more horizontal? or is that ballistic while cruise missile is only for short range?

 

[8housesofelixir]

Im not expert by far either but can't the wings work too by doing vertical one then going more horizontal?

Well it can, it is just very uncommon with a wing/body shaped like this.

Tomahawk can be launched vertically (via VLS) as a cruise missile but this one in the video doesn't look like any Tomahawk or anything that can be launched by VLS. It looks a bit "chubby", while most of the VLS-able missiles, to my knowledge, are simply cylinder-shaped.

 

[SuddenAppearance]

As people are expecting Qajar for today, I would say that is still a posibility to have zamburak. The emblematic unit that replaces the ranged cavalry could be not a footman but a ranged cavalry without the ability of shoot and move (class -> gunner (second logo). Tenet -> nothing (first logo)) and higher combat rating (it has to have something advantageous). I only can come up with zamburak for this because of this kneeling position to shoot and the big gun. Let's see what we get today!

 

[notNamed]

I only can come up with zamburak for this because of this kneeling position to shoot and the big gun. Let's see what we get today!

The zamburak is a funny case. The game only has a single camel unit at the moment, so it would make sense to reuse the camel somewhere.
At the same time, the same frugality also speaks against zamburaks, since Mayans get spear throwers to save on having to make atlatl animations for a single unit.
And zamburak with that whole kneeling thing is a prime example of a unit with a whole new complication animation for a unit only ever seen once.

 

[Narcisse]

yup, I got exactly the same statement than you @notNamed on Zamburak. But to be fair, they could just make him shoot without kneeling, there is some rare and imprecise illustrations of Zamburak shooting without kneeling.
And if you look some of the Zamburak equipment from museum, it is possible, but the driver can't precisely aim with it. (because shoot crookedly with the large gun). But for a videogames, it's okay, I guess. (look at the elephant units ahah).

But, I expect Iranians just having the saboteur replacement unit, and Russians having the Cossacks. Qajar have a lot of fancy royal guards and regiments, some with police role.(The Royal Footmen for exemple : "Responsible for outdoor and camp services, carrying messages, and executing royal punitive commands for arrests, extortion, beatings, the bastinado, and like")

There is a lot of other cultures which could get the Zamburak, but I must admit than Industrial Iranians are the best candidate. They were mostly emblematic of Nader Shah campaigns, which fall in industrial too, and could be a cool reference to the Zand dynasty even if we get Qajar.
I honestly prefer another unit than Zamburak for Safavids (if added later), for exemple.

For another camel unit in the game, a squad of camel brigade from WW2, for an Arab Peninsula culture, is maybe possible.

 

[SuddenAppearance]

Those royal guards are another good option! But for the lack of shoot+run ability, I really can't see the cossacks, as they would not differ so much from a normal ranged cav!
My predictions are the opossite from yours: Zamburak for Qajar and something like Okhrana for Russians!
Only 6 hours to know!

 

[Narcisse]

It will be my favorite scenario ! Zamburak for Iranians, and a Russian secret police for the tsarist !
yes, we will see, soon^^

Weirdest surprise : The Qajar get the Cossacks (Persian Cossack Brigade)

But if the modern Spy / Saboteur is a KGB agent for soviets, looks unlikely for a russian Saboteur
BUT, Soviets could get the Katyusha.

What an infinite dilemma.

 

[SuddenAppearance]

Yes, of course, but assigning KGB to russians at this early stage might be delving to much into speculation, they as well could have Katyusha (it fits very well as emblematic artillery with rocket symbol) or T-34 as emblematic early tank in contemporary, as germany will probably not be in contemporary and USA has maybe better emblematic options than a sherman tank. So I think we cannot count in contemporary units for extracting reliable information right now about cultures.

"Weirdest surprise : The Qajar get the Cossacks (Persian Cossack Brigade) "
That would be something that would make me just delete our unit tree file x)

 

[Narcisse]

yes, and a lot of modern cultures could get the saboteur replacement. One of our conclusion on the discord.

 

[Narcisse]

So an infantry EU for the Persians !
And an unit which make reference to Nader Shah, so I was not that far (my statement on Zamburak). And I was right for the Caravanesaray.

I don't know what we will get the Russians^^

 

[Guandao]

So they went with Persians instead of Qajar......will Classical era Persians be renamed to Achaemenids?

 

[SuddenAppearance]

Hold on a second, Narcisse, I think we've been fooled.
I've got the suspicion that soldaderas is the replacement for the spy unit. Mexican revolution starts in 1910, at the end of the industral era pictured in the game. Also, the length of the name of the persian EU doesn't match with the length of the ranged cavalry replacement name. If that is true, persian emblematic unit will be then below impi, with an ability shared with modern tanks and anoother contemporary unit.
So, I think, that given the relative short name of the ranged cavalry replacement, and assuming that we know that russia will be in, you might have your cossacks.

But I still don't understand the abscense of the fire+move logo.

 

[8housesofelixir]

I'm actually surprised to see they didn't choose Zamburak for Persians/Qajars - well, IIRC, in several streams the devs already stated that some of the design choices were limited by constrained animation developments.

Hope we can see these camels in a DLC together with another Gunpowder Empire.

Speaking of which, if we do get Russians in Industrial, then we have Britain/France/Germany/Italy/A-H and Russians - almost every major powers on the continent evolved in WWI. The only one left is the Ottomans. Hope we can see the Ottomans in a DLC as well (cf. the Incas). Nevermind, I forgot that they are 1 Era earlier.

 

[ehecatzin]

I'm actually surprised to see they didn't choose Zamburak for Persians/Qajars - well, IIRC, in several streams the devs already stated that some of the design choices were limited by constrained animation developments.

Hope we can see these camels in a DLC together with another Gunpowder Empire.

Speaking of which, if we do get Russians in Industrial, then we have Britain/France/Germany/Italy/A-H and Russians - almost every major powers on the continent evolved in WWI. The only one left is the Ottomans.

Hope we can see the Ottomans in a DLC as well (cf. the Incas).

The Ottomans are in, only not in industrial.

Spoiler :

Tho Turkey could very well be in contemporary, or DLC.

 

[8housesofelixir]

The Ottomans are in, only not in industrial.

Spoiler :

Tho Turkey could very well be in contemporary, or DLC.

OHHHHH my bad. Totally forgot to check the records before writing that post.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

So they went with Persians instead of Qajar......will Classical era Persians be renamed to Achaemenids?

They could just rename it to Achaemenid Persia, similar to what they did with Joseon Korea or Edo Japan already.

 

[ehecatzin]

They could just rename it to Achaemenid Persia, similar to what they did with Joseon Korea or Edo Japan already.

They did mention that one of their concerns is clarity in naming, I guess Achaemenid Persia is more recognizable to the average Joe than Qajar.

I'm just happy Persian culture is being explored in more eras besides classical

 

[Narcisse]

I really don't like this naming to be honest, but I just made a thread for them, I will give my feedback on it.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

They did mention that one of their concerns is clarity in naming, I guess Achaemenid Persia is more recognizable to the average Joe than Qajar.

I'm just happy Persian culture is being explored in more eras besides classical

I would have initially just named them the Iranians which would be just as recognizable but it's no big deal for me. I just think the Classical culture would need Persia in there name.

So I guess we are now only missing Russians, Siamese and Zulu, unless Sweden decides to show up out of the blue.