Culture (Unit + Quarter) Speculation Thread

Who will you play first?

  • Assyrians

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Babylonians

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Egyptians

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Harappans

    Votes: 12 17.4%
  • Hittites

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Mycenaeans

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Nubians

    Votes: 3 4.3%
  • Olmecs

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Phoenicians

    Votes: 10 14.5%
  • Zhou

    Votes: 9 13.0%
  • Random

    Votes: 10 14.5%

  • Total voters
    69
I can't be the only one who first thinks of the Caliphate of Cordoba when I hear Umayyads.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_Caliphate

Umayyad Caliphate was first global caliphate, with capital in Damascus, and they were guys who did most of the "crazy expansion" stuff. They have also begun mass translation of Greek, Persian and to lesser extent Indian thought to Arabic, which eventually have birth to scientific explosion. But still, the real beginners of Islamic medieval scientific revolution were Abbasids - it is under them (heavily Persianized dynasty rising in coup against Arab domination of islam) when we get first actual scientists, it is them who begun it all with their enormous scientific patronage in Baghdad, and ruled over the most productive era in the history of Islamic science.
Umayyads, after being overthrown by Abbasids, survived in the last vestigial remnant in Iberia, caliphate of Cordoba (also referred to as Al - Andalus, Moors etc) and eventually they have joined the great scientific adventure with their own achievements... Later, after Abbasid initial intellectual wave arrived from the east.

My point is, it is not exactly stupid to make specifically Umayyads the scientific culture, but it would be really strange to do that instead of going for much more straightforward routes of either giving this focus to Abbasids or just naming the culture "Arabs" :p

Given other signs, that makes me expect Zapotec aestethe civ and Arabs scientific civ. Not the very akward alternative of aestethe Aztecs (lol) and scientific Umayyads (why specifically them instead of Abbasids or just "Arabs" like "Persians"?)

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Lol I have forgot about Aztecs being in open dev. Goddamnit here goes my great theory
 
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Only reason I can think of for not making the Aztecs an Agrarian civ (other than bucking trends, which didn't stop them from making the Norse Militarist) is that they're planning to add Incas at some point and don't want two Agrarian civs for Medieval.
 
Well, Aztecs and Khmer don't have to be in the same era for a scenario to work. Era progress is individual, no?

But as my mental connection with Zapotec was first to confuse them with Zapatistas, I don't know if they are famous enough for inclusion. I wouldn't rule out your theory yet and I would welcome it, but I don't believe it's very likely either. After all, then the Early modern era gets really crowded. And I would like a scenario with early modern Spanish invading the medieval Aztec homeland.
 
But as my mental connection with Zapotec was first to confuse them with Zapatistas, I don't know if they are famous enough for inclusion. I wouldn't rule out your theory yet and I would welcome it, but I don't believe it's very likely either.
I believe on the Olmec card description it talked about how they set the stage for the other Mesoamerican cultures such as the Maya and the Zapotecs. So they are at least known by the developers.
Still it is probably the Aztecs.
 
Well, Aztecs and Khmer don't have to be in the same era for a scenario to work. Era progress is individual, no?
That's a possibility, but an unlikely one, I reckon. No other scenario seems to have civs from different eras, and for this one in particular I find it unlikely that English and Khmer transcended and only the Aztecs... ascended.
Wait, what is that?
You can sign up in Amplitude's website to get access to time-limited scenarios later in the year. The goal is to get pre-release feedback on game mechanics.
 
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That's a possibility, but an unlikely one, I reckon. No other scenario seems to have civs from different eras, and for this one in particular I find it unlikely that English and Khmer transcended and only the Aztecs... ascended.

I didn't even think about transcending or ascending. I just imagined that the Aztecs (or rather the medieval culture they came from) already got all their stars they needed to pass on to the next era while the other two players didn't yet.

I do agree though that it's very unlikely.
 
I've had some concerns about Cutlures that would be behind the world technology-wise. For example, some people have proposed Zulu for Industral Era, but what, their special unit would fight with spear when all the other Cultures have riflemen or so? So maybe the Cultures should be assigned according to their level of technology, so Zulu would be available in earlier era, but that would be immersion breaking for many people too. This problem may touch more Cultures, that were worse developed in terms of science. How do you think the developers will solve this situation?
 
I've had some concerns about Cutlures that would be behind the world technology-wise. For example, some people have proposed Zulu for Industral Era, but what, their special unit would fight with spear when all the other Cultures have riflemen or so? So maybe the Cultures should be assigned according to their level of technology, so Zulu would be available in earlier era, but that would be immersion breaking for many people too. This problem may touch more Cultures, that were worse developed in terms of science. How do you think the developers will solve this situation?

I believe that in Civ V, where I first remember Zulus appearing, the Impi unit was made a Pikeman instead of a Spearman, so the factors were closer to contemporaries, and they got a bonus against gunpowder-armed units. In other words, they cheated.
I could see the same problem arising from many Native American Civs/Factions, which no matter how fast they adopted European technology, never really caught up before they were overwhelmed. Which may mean that we will see no Faction of that type later than the 'Early Modern' Era, because Souix/Lakota or Haudenosenee or even Aztec in the Industrial Era are going to start right off handicapped unless you cheat on the design.
 
Civilization I... :p

Never got to play it.
Didn't "join the franchise" until Civ 2 came out on the Mac, and then spent many a morning trying to get my right hand to work again after clutching a mouse all night playing the game . . .
 
Never got to play it.
Didn't "join the franchise" until Civ 2 came out on the Mac, and then spent many a morning trying to get my right hand to work again after clutching a mouse all night playing the game . . .
Then you'd still have seen them in Civilization II, III, and IV. :)
 
Then you'd still have seen them in Civilization II, III, and IV. :)

- Doesn't mean I remember them. So many of the 'Civilizations' in earlier games simply did not stand out, or were so artificially contrived that they did not remind me of the 'real' group or civilization so that I never bothered to play them nor can I recall them. As good as parts of Civ II, III and IV were, that's one reason I virtually stopped playing Civ games for several years until Civ V came out.
 
I saw on the Humankind's Twitter account Kenshee's quote: So Umayyads = Scientist and Aztecs = Aesthetes?
And they replied: 3/4 predictions are correct...

So maybe the Aztecs aren't in the Medieval Era? But who would be in instead? It's the first culture which they skipped over due to still waiting for the artwork to be finished, so it presumably starts with an A or B (before Byzantines). Unless the Aztecs are in Medieval and there's no Aesthete culture in Medieval, which I find unlikely...

I guess the Aztecs might be in Early Modern era instead, even though they lasted only for a couple of decades into the 1500s...
 
They might have wanted the Aztecs to appear as contemporaries to the Spanish.

who could it be? I doubt we see Almohads or Almoravids and the Umayyads. Bulgaria? Ahom?
 
They might have wanted the Aztecs to appear as contemporaries to the Spanish.

who could it be? I doubt we see Almohads or Almoravids and the Umayyads. Bulgaria? Ahom?

I doubt Ahom would appear in this game.....

Would Bulgaria make sense for Aesthete?
 
I saw on the Humankind's Twitter account Kenshee's quote: So Umayyads = Scientist and Aztecs = Aesthetes?
And they replied: 3/4 predictions are correct...
It also mean the Aztecs could be agrarian or builder.
 
But why omit Aesthete for the Medieval Era?
 
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