Cumulative PM-based History Quiz

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And Doc Tsiolkowski is taking the lead:

Doc: 4 pts.
Serutan: 3 pts.
privatehudson: 3 pts.
Gagliaudo: 2.5 pts.
LouLong: 2.25 pts.
Shortguy: 1.5 pts.
Plotonius: 1.25 pts.
Greekguy: 1 pt.
BananaLee: 1 pt.
Ciceronian: 1 pt.

Adler
 
I was pretty sure of the last 4, but that's life I guess.
 
Okay here are the solutions. Some WERE indeed tricky. But I made remarks.

1. Nofretete was a Mitanni, a people which lived in Mesopotamia and Syria.

2. Felix Graf von Luckner commanded the SMS Seeadler, a sailing ship, ex Pass of Balhama, which was refitted as auxiliar cruiser. As such he drove from Germany into the Pacific to sink enemy merchant vessels. 3 staemer and 13 sailing ships were sunk without any blood. His ship was destroyed by a sea quake setting her on a corale reef. He and his crew were captured. He returned home in 1919. In 1922 he retired from service and wrote some books and made some voyages to the US. In 1939 he returns to Halle an der Saale. There he had trouble with the Nazis who banned all of his books. Later he prevented the destruction of Halle, when the US forces came in 1945. Therefore he became honourly colonel of the 104th US division Timerwolves. When the US left Halle he also went into the west, where he died in 1966 in the age of 84.
Because he was such an hounourable oponent he was respected by friend and foe. His "nicknames" the Kaiser´s pirate or the Last Pirate are more a kind of respect than of anything else.

3. Germany! It is indeed surprising but Germany never recognized the Nuremberg trials as they are considered no fair trial mostly because of the violation of nulla poena sine lege. This was violated because the crime of preparing and conducting an agressive war was not written in any criminal codes on the world. German govenrments since 1949 recognized and stil recognize this trial as Siegerjustiz. Although Germany is one of the strongest supporters of the International Criminal Court...

4. In the Oath of Straßburg the first time German and French are written on paper.

5. Ramses I. In the 1850s Egyptians found a cave in the Valley of the Kings where many mummies were. Over several years they sold parts of this collection, from small gold pieces to whole mummies. One of them was sent to a museum in Canada, at the Niagara Falls. In 1966 the mummy was remarked by a German business man who had a bit time before a meeting. He thought it was the mummy of Nofretete. A German egyptologist examined the mummy and said it was a man, so it was not Nofretete. In the next years there were speculations until the museum of Atlanta bought the mummy and examined it. All hints were now saying it was the mummy of a pharao. Most likely Ramses I. Zahi Hawwas of the Egyptian heritage office recognized it as such and a few years ago the mummy returned to Egypt. Ramses made his last voyage back home.
Until now only Ramses I. made a visit in the New World.

6. The Japanese flag ship Mikasa and the Russian armoured cruiser Awrora (Aurora).

7. On Friday 13th of March 1314 Jaques de Molay, last Grand master of the Temple order, was burnt. He set a curse on the French king and his family as well as on pope Clamens IV. Clemens died on April 20th. Phillip the beauty died in the same year as well as his 3 sons until 1328. The older line of the House Capet was eradicted.
There is the origin of the Friday 13th as a day of bad luck.

8. This question was tricky indeed, as it was clear that many would answer it wrong. Alexander Graham Bell was not the inventor of the telephone but Johann Phillip Reis, a German inventor. In 1863 he deomostrated a telephone in Frankfurt by saying: The horse eats no cucumber salad (Das Pferd frißt keinen Gurkensalat). Source: http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/reis.html
Unfortunately none of the auditorium was giving the invention a chance. Only when Bell modified it slightly the telephone was a success.
No one got this, but that is not very surprising

9. Masada 79 AD.

10. He quoted the Mahabharata epos, an ancient Indian sanscrit epos, in which he saw parallels with the weapon he just invented.

As there were no more answers it is on Doc to make his questions.

Adler
 
Yes I figured as much, some of them were pretty dependent on your country of origin or point of view to be able to answer them correctly.
 
I admit that on question # 2 and 3. Number 8 not. All of you thought it was Bell who invented the telephone. That was as wrong as thinking Yeager was the first man to fly faster than Mach 1. This quiz is also to learn about historical fact which are not very known as well as about history of foreign nations. However I just see that I made the mistake to ask more than the 2 questions about Germany I usually want to introduce. Nevertheless we once had a discussion about the telephone. There we discussed who invented the phone and we all agreed as Bell was not the man who did it. At least 2 were earlier: Antonio Meucci and Johann Philipp Reis. Meucci had no patent nor any witnesses of his telephone, except his wife, but IIRC she died before he could get a patent. Although Reis had also no patent he had at least witnesses. Also I asked who was the first sentence which was testified to be spoken. And that was the nonsense sentence: Das Pferd frißt keinen Gurkensalat. So this was the only valid answer I am sorry. I usually give half point for being near to the answer but in this case even that was not possible. I don´t say Reis is the first who invented the phone but he is the first to have proves for this. It might be Meucci was the first one but there is still no prove.
My questions tend to be a bit tricky. Usually these questions which sounds too easy are a bit tricky.

Adler
 
Well, I as German didn't know #3 ;).
And #2: Luckner was about as well-known in the US as in Germany between the wars and shortly after WW2, and his memoires sold better there.

#1 is interesting; Mitanni is an even more widely 'underestimated' empire than the Hittites.

I'm working on my questions.
 
I admit that on question # 2 and 3. Number 8 not.

I was referring to question 7 in the main. In my experience the usual answer to such a question in the UK comes from the crucifixtion and the last supper, so I imagine that one is a rather local answer. Snopes for example suggests that your answer is a modern day invention (though it doesn't go into details as to why). In fact any look around the web or books on the topic suggest many different origins depending on which culture you look at, which makes answering such a question guesswork.

The telephone question didn't bother me in the slightest since there's always 6-7 different people claiming to have "invented" any new thing. Given that Reis' was a commercial failiure and struggled to transmit speech, it's not suprising it's less well known in the modern world, nor that it needed alteration to suceed.

As for number 3, well that's hardly a suprise. Fortunately I doubt we consulted Germany too highly about Nuremberg :mischief:

*shrugs*

Only goes to prove that History is almost entirely subjective.
 
Well, ph, the conclusions are subjective but not the facts. As for the Friday 13th I wasn´t aware on that. I read in several sources here in Germany about that saying it comes indeed from the execution of Jaques de Molay. It was very popular in the US and came only about 50 years ago to Germany. If you want it I can give you half a point for that answer.
Also I took the question about Luckner because he was very known even in the US.

Adler
 
If you want it I can give you half a point for that answer.

Not really worried either way, just thought that asking such open and subjective questions is unfair to those who don't come from the same background, because their answers will be as correct as yours are, just not the same. It's a little unfair to mark someone's answer as incorrect because they didn't guess which answer you were after.

Personally I've never heard of Luckner, but I imagine there's a few "last pirates" depending on who's navy you ask.
 
Actually, ph, I somewhat have to assist Adler here. I for one have never heard that friday 13th explanation, and the templars in general aren't that popular in Germany - so, while Adler's answer may be a myth, it for sure is not a German myth.

On Luckner:
He wrote a book of his adventures which became a best-seller in Germany, and an American book about him spread his fame widely. An entertaining speaker, he was widely admired for his seamanship and for having fought his war without killing anyone, and many cities in the United States made him an honorary citizen.
(most notably San Francisco).
From en. wiki; and, that entry is several times as long as the de.wiki entry - usually a good indicator how known someone/thing is; note de.wiki is nearly as 'complete' as the English one, not a meager copy like fr.wiki.
 
I for one have never heard that friday 13th explanation, and the templars in general aren't that popular in Germany - so, while Adler's answer may be a myth, it for sure is not a German myth.

I never said it was a purely German myth, and certainly didn't mean that. I merely meant that it is a single answer from at least half a dozen which explains the superstition. Most of the other answers derive from other cultures such as Hinduism, Jewish/Christian ideas, Norse Mythology and so on. There's no evidence to suggest the templar theory is any more or less responsible for the date being "bad luck" than any of the others, and that makes it impossible to define what answer may be desired.

As for Luckner, the fact that's he's been heard of in the US and Germany does not mean he's the only person known as the last pirate, which is again my point. When dealing with a quiz like this it's very hard to answer a question where you need to imagine which one of a number of quite valid answers the questioner might be thinking of in order to get the correct one. With the other quizes here it's not too bad.
 
I do agree with you, no question.
But that's caused by the nature of this quiz IMHO (no recherche). Either you really know the answer, or it's an educated guess at best.
Everyone who'd heard of Luckner would have 100% for sure known he is meant. There are for sure others who are mildy associated with that nickname as well - that would be a hint for a web search. Not a hit or miss question like here.
 
I personally never bother googling any of the answers for quizes like this, so it gets a trifle irritating when a perfectly valid answer is declined because I wasn't on the same wavelegnth as the questioner :crazyeye:

Anyway, I've said my thoughts on the subject.
 
I'm afraid that I'm very dubious about the Knights Templar explanation for 13. It's intrinsically unlikely anyway - how many heretics have been executed in history, and on how many dates? So why fix on de Molay's date as unlucky? In fact the explanations I've heard date it far earlier than that (to do with Babylonian astrology, as I mentioned in my answers to the quiz). The fact is that no-one really knows the precise answer to a question like that, so it's best to steer clear of them, or at least rephrase them - so, for example, you could ask, "The execution of which medieval figure is sometimes regarded as the origin of the belief that Friday 13th is unlucky?"
 
Indeed. Snopes and some other sites basically said it was a modern day invention, in other words people hit upon de Molay's execution after the superstiton came into general use as one possible explanation for it.
 
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