Current Civ and Leader Abilities Elimination Thread.

[Felis Renidens]

Arabia 19
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 1
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17
Rome 10 (9 + 1) Continuing to upvote Rome for its strength in the pivotal early game - same.
Russia 20
Scythia 11 (14-3) and I'll continue hitting scythia because I can do wars fine without the extra cav and even healing and that's just one aspect of the game. In other aspects they get nothing.
Sumeria 17

 

[Calyxx]

Arabia 16 (19 - 3) Things never seem to work out well for me when playing Arabia; I feel like I'm being stretched in too many directions at once.
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 1
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17
Rome 11 (10 + 1) I think Rome might actually be the strongest (or at least top 3-4), and I'm not sure why it is ranked so low.
Russia 20
Scythia 11
Sumeria 17

 

[Kimiimaro]

Arabia 16
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14+1=15 - This is top tier civ. Has Great Pyramids' bonus from start, so it saves lots of production and money. Can wonder spam. And yes, in EARLY GAME, the part some people call the most important. Increased Eurekas and Inspirations save some decent science and culture through whole game and will allow you to be a little bit ahead. Crouching tiger is fine, I guess...
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 1
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17
Rome 11-3=8 - I'm still not sure why this civ has so many supporters. Roads are RIDICULOUS. Legion isn't important game changer. Baths are great! But free monument isn't. It costs only 60 cogs and it's cheap to buy. And two culture provided by monument isn't game changer in any way. It's surely good civ for people who like early game expansion, but I'm not fan of early game expansion. Definitely not top 10 material to me. Civs I see as top ten are, without any ranking, Germany, Russia, Australia, Arabia, Macedon, Scythia, China, both Greeces and *sigh* France/America and Poland. Strong versatile civs or civs that give significant help towards at least one victory. Rome isn't there because it doesn't offer significant help towards at least one concrete victory (like Scythia, Arabia or France/America), and while surely versatile civ, it's not strong versatile (like Germany, China or Russia).
Russia 20
Scythia 11
Sumeria 17

 

[Manifold]

Arabia 16
Australia 13 (16-3) production bonus if one is attacked and happy bonus if this choice is forgotten
Aztec 20
China 15
England 8 (7+1) cool more archaeology adventures
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 1
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17
Rome 8
Russia 20
Scythia 11
Sumeria 17

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

Arabia 16 + 1 = 17 (Really strong for all victory conditions except maybe culture, dominant UU/UB, and very high faith output. Probably the most versatile ability set IMO as long as you actually build holy sites)
Australia 13
Aztec 20
China 15
England 8
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED (Not a huge fan of their abilities though I do like Pericles. TIme to thin the field)
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17
Rome 8
Russia 20
Scythia 11
Sumeria 17

 

[Guandao]

Arabia 17
Australia 13
Aztec 20
China 15
England 8
Germany 26
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17
Rome 8
Russia 20
Scythia (11+1)=12 Useful for warmonger types
Sumeria (17-3)=14 Who wants to share EXP with an AI's units? And Barbarian encampments will gradually appear less often as land is gobbled up.

Moderator Action: Fixed Arabia's score --Jon

 

[LethalLeigh]

Arabia 17
Australia 13
Aztec 20
China 15
England 9 (8+1) they do belong in the Top 10.
Germany 26
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17
Rome 5 (8-3) I don't think they are powerful enough to be in top 10.
Russia 20
Scythia 12
Sumeria 14

Moderator Action: Fixed China & Macedon's score --Jon

 

[joncnunn]

Arabia 17
Australia 13+1=14 Like other DLC ones, it's on the OP side.
Aztec 20
China 15
England 9
Germany 26
Greece - Sparta 4 -3 =1 With Sparta's abilities being slightly weaker than Athens it should follow it immediately out the door.
Macedon 17 Edit: Corrected
Rome 5
Russia 20
Scythia 12
Sumeria 14

 

[Amrunril]

Macedon got some points accidentally added back in. It should be at 17.

 

[Forster]

Arabia 17
Australia 4 .
Aztec 20
China 15 - 3 = 12 Others are better.
England 9
Germany 26
Greece - Sparta 1 .
Macedon 17
Rome 5 + 1 = 6 I do not understand Kimiimaro's hate on Rome. What is not to like You don't have to waste cogs or money to build the monuments which helps with culture tree. You don't have many traders early to make roads, Rome gets them very as soon as another city is founded. The baths give amenity and housing. The legion doesn't require iron and three or four can take down a walled city without archers. This should be in the top three.
Russia 20
Scythia 12
Sumeria 14

 

[Pietato]

Arabia 14
Australia 14 .
Aztec 20 - 3 = 17
China 12
England 9
Germany 26
Greece - Sparta 1 .
Macedon 17
Rome 6 + 1 = 7- Legions are very much a game changer. Pretty sure these guys have never actually used Rome.
Russia 20
Scythia 12
Sumeria 14

Fixed Arabia's score (see post 157).

 

[God of Kings]

Arabia 14
Australia 14 + 1 = 15 Outback stations are extremely powerful
Aztec 17
China 12
England 9
Germany 26
Greece - Sparta 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Acropolis requiring hills means lost production that could outherwise be used for mines
Macedon 17
Rome 7
Russia 20
Scythia 12
Sumeria 14

 

[Siptah]

Arabia 14
Australia 15
Aztec 17
China 12
England 9
Germany 26
Macedon 17
Rome 4 (7-3) still boring, can do without free monuments, roads, Legion is not as good as advertised, people being blinded etc. In short: giving its fans something to do.
Russia 20
Scythia 12
Sumeria 15 (14+1) Weak leader ability, very strong civ ability and super strong UU. Also changes the way to play a bit by running around a lot and farming barbs. Not boring and strong!

 

[Felis Renidens]

An early vote today

Arabia 14
Australia 15
Aztec 17
China 12
England 9
Germany 26
Macedon 17
Rome 5 (4+1) reasons given before. Not having to worry about monuments and having an early government is not boring, it's fun
Russia 20
Scythia 9 (12-3) - speaking of boring civilizations. At least for those that aren't warmongering, and war does not need the extras.
Sumeria 15

 

[Defenestration]

Arabia 14
Australia 15
Aztec 17
China 12
England 8 (9-1) Major bonuses lack synergy, and naval combat seems less important than in Civ V
Germany 26
Macedon 17
Rome 6 (5+1) People are vastly underrating the monuments Rome gets. Especially on higher difficulties, it allows Rome to keep pace on the civics tree without investing in culture. Early military units are a must, and free monuments allows building more of them.
Russia 20
Scythia 9

 

[Pietato]

Not going to get through to a guy who thinks France is stronger than Rome...

 

[Kimiimaro]

Not going to get through to a guy who thinks France is stronger than Rome...

I guess you mean me. In battle between Rome and France, Rome would beat it. But France is in my top ten and Rome isn't. Why? France gives you production bonus on wonders of three eras, which is somewhat versatile, and with double tourism, it offers significant help towards Culture Victory. Rome, as I said, doesn't offer SIGNIFICANT help towards any victory, and while versatile civ, it's not as STRONG versatile civ as Germany, Russia or Australia.

 

[jacksone kain]

Arabia 14
Australia 15
Aztec 17
China 12
England 8
Germany 26
Macedon 17
Rome 6+1 = 7 - I build monuments in every city, fairly high up the build order too. Nice to have them for free. Plus the no iron req for legions is nice.
Russia 20-3 = 17 - Cause they are not 2nd best.
Scythia 9

 

[Kimiimaro]

Arabia 14
Australia 15
Aztec 17
China 12
England 8
Germany 26+1=27 - I'm glad to see nobody has problem with Germany leading. It deserves it, because bonus district is over-overpowered.
Macedon 17
Rome 7-3=4 - You've heard my reasons. They won't change your mind and your resons didn't change my mind. This is nice place for Rome's death.
Russia 17
Scythia 9

 

[Amrunril]

Arabia 14
Australia 15
Aztec 17
China 12
England 8
Germany 27
Macedon 14 (17+ 1) Provides a lot bonuses when conquering,but once you've started conquering you're usually already winning.
Rome 5 (4 +1) A strong early game sets you up well for whatever you want to do with the rest of the game.
Russia 17
Scythia 9