Current Civ and Leader Abilities Elimination Thread.

[LethalLeigh]

America 13
Arabia 24
Australia 23 (22+1) because ppl are down voting because they believe it was too early for Aus to be in the game. even though that has nothing to do with the reason this thread exists.
Aztec 19
Brazil 11
China 19
Egypt 22
England 11
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 6
Kongo 20
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 17
Rome 9 (12-3) Ok early game Civ and a good choice for new players. But not very exciting after you get the hang of the game.
Russia 19
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Guandao]

America 13
Arabia 24
Australia 23
Aztec 19
Brazil (11-3)=8 I feel like the abilities don't really represent Brazil well. There should be an ability based on cutting down jungles. I don't get how rainforest tiles give adjacency bonuses to these districts.
China 19
Egypt 22
England (11+1)=12 I think the abilities gives the player incentive to settle or conquer cities on other continents, which fits with the British Empire. The British Museum Ability is accurate to a degree, many archeologists in the 1800s were British and took many artifacts back to UK, which are the subject of national disputes today.
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 6
Kongo 20
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 17
Rome 9
Russia 19
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Amrunril]

America 13
Arabia 24
Australia 23
Aztec 19
Brazil 8
China 20 (19 + 1) Either the civ ability or the leader ability would make for an above average civ. The combination of the two puts China solidly in the top tier.
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 6
Kongo 20
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 14 (17 - 3) Poland has moderate bonuses in many areas but doesn't truly excel at anything.
Rome 9
Russia 19
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Morningcalm]

America 13
Arabia 24
Australia 23
Aztec 19 + 1 = 20 (Capturing early workers is huge. It happens more often than I expected, and I also note that getting districts up with Legend of the Five Suns (worker charges speed districts) is *always* useful, especially when district costs go up a huge amount late-game. And the amenities bonus gets a war engine rolling like no other).
Brazil 8
China 20
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 6
Kongo 20
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 14 - 3 = 11 Agreed with above poster, and the culture bomb is very situational.
Rome 9
Russia 19
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[ShakaKhan]

America 13
Arabia 21 (24-3) I don't get why everyone considers this civ so great. The UU has a great bonus, but the current rules of the game dictate wars are early and then never again, so the UU is moot. The UB dictates that you're aiming for high culture and high research, and starts to necessitate that you have campuses and holy sites in most cities, which clogs up the population slots for the more important districts. The last prophet is a garbage bonus because if you wait that long to get your religion going, you're flooded with missionaries before you get your religion off the ground, and the science bonus is minimal and doesn't apply to your own cities. The only decent bonus is the religious building bonus, which you'll struggle with if you utilize the last prophet bonus. Overall, very little early game bonuses which set you further behind the competition and not much in the mid-game to help you make up for the poor start.
Australia 23
Aztec 20
Brazil 8
China 20
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 7 (6+1) I'm guessing most of the people that are voting against them have never even played them. They have three modest bonuses that help every single game. First, Japan is the only civ that can get more than one district at half price, and while many cringe that commercial hubs weren't in that mix, the three districts that they get for 1/2 off are three out of the four victory condition districts. This makes Japan incredibly flexible. A tangential note on the district cost bonus: Playing Japan with Carthage Suzerein makes for an incredibly easy game. Second, the district adjacency bonus makes a small but substantial yield bonus, but everywhere! And has great compatibility with the 1/2 priced districts. Third, every city gets an extra hammer with their factories, not too shabby, but adding 4 culture to every city is pretty powerful and, again, a very flexible bonus.
Kongo 20
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 11
Rome 9
Russia 19
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Morgawr]

America 13
Arabia 21
Australia 23
Aztec 20
Brazil 8
China 20
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan - 7
Kongo - 20-3 = 17 Their inability to win religious victory is a showstopper for me
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 11
Rome 9
Russia 19+1 = 20 LOVE the extra land, cheap lavra, and culture/science trade bonus
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Orange1861]

America 13
Arabia 21
Australia 23
Aztec 20
Brazil 8
China 20
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 4 (7 - 3) I really do not like Japan from the list of remaining civs.
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 11
Rome 10 (9 + 1) Rome is super powerful in the early game and is better than some of the other civs on this list.
Russia 20
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

America 13
Arabia 21
Australia 23
Aztec 20
Brazil 8
China 20
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 4-3=1 - Is weakest. As I said, Divine Wind is ridiculous. Samurai, Electronics factory and Meiji Restoration are decent things, but not that good. Deserves to go.
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 11+1=12 - Seriously, I don't understand the hate towards Poland. Golden Liberty is overpowered. Winged Hussar is great. Sukiennice is great. Lithuanian Union can make you some serious bonuses. Take all these things together and you'll get increddibly strong civilization, like in Civ V. This shouldn't seriously have less than 20 points.
Rome 10
Russia 20
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

America 13 - 3 = 10 (The combat bonus is strong but useless on an isolated start and the rest of their abilities are lacking in a big way. UUs come way too late and I rarely utilize the tourism/appeal bonus at all. They really should have some type of production focus IMO.)
Arabia 21
Australia 23
Aztec 20 + 1 = 21 (They are too good actually. Almost all of their abilities are OP. Free workers from warriors saves a ton of production and has lots of synergy for their next uber ability which is unlimited district charges which aleviates the biggest problem in the early game. The luxury combat boost is insane - you are basically invincible with a full set of luxuries)
Brazil 8
China 20
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 1
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 17
Poland 12
Rome 10
Russia 20
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Guandao]

America 10
Arabia 21
Australia 23
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China (20+1)=21 Their Abilities are decent. It's nice to earn a bit more in Inspirations and Eurekas, and fun to expend builders on early wonders.
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 1
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia (17-3)=14 I'm not impressed by the Abilities, which pigeonhole Persia into a certain playstyle (declaring surprise wars and being a very insular empire with little friends)
Poland 12
Rome 10
Russia 20
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[LethalLeigh]

America 10
Arabia 18 (21-3) I don't play religious games so their abilities don't suit me.
Australia 23
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 1
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 14
Poland 13 (12+1) I like the Culture bomb function it can be fun stealing land from your others.
Rome 10
Russia 20
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Manifold]

America 11 (10+1) nothing new
Arabia 18
Australia 20 (23-3) nothing new
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 1
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 14
Poland 13
Rome 10
Russia 20
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Amrunril]

America 11
Arabia 18
Australia 20
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 1
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 11 (14 - 3) Another civ with a number of decent bonuses but no exceptional ones.
Poland 13
Rome 11 (10 + 1) The strongest builder civ in the pivotal early game.
Russia 20
Scythia 22
Sumeria 24

 

[Forster]

America 11
Arabia 18
Australia 20
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 1
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 11
Poland 13
Rome 11 + 1 = 12 I think the auto monument and roads, along with that great legion make this one of the best, if not the best.
Russia 20
Scythia 22 - 3 = 19 I don't know, for some reason I just do not like it.
Sumeria 24

 

[God of Kings]

America 11
Arabia 18
Australia 20 + 1 = 21 Come on, declare war on Johnny!
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Japan 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED not many bad choices left
Kongo 17
Macedon 18
Persia 11
Poland 13
Rome 12
Russia 20
Scythia 19
Sumeria 24

 

[Morgawr]

America 11
Arabia 18
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Kongo 17-3 = 14 Same reason as before: can't win religious victory
Macedon 18
Persia 11
Poland 13
Rome 12
Russia 20+1 =21 Extra land is so nice. Cheap lavras guarantee a religion. Culture/science trade bonus is so sweet on Deity because I am always so behind
Scythia 19
Sumeria 24

 

[Felis Renidens]

America 11
Arabia 18
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 8
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Kongo 14
Macedon 18
Persia 11
Poland 13
Rome 13 = 12+1 - well, I really like the SPQR.
Russia 21
Scythia 16 = 19-3 - I'm too peaceful to make a good use of their abilities.
Sumeria 24

 

[Orange1861]

America 11
Arabia 19 (18 + 1) The best civ for religion, 10% science, culture and faith in all cities that have their worship building is good.
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 5 (8 - 3) As stated in previous posts.
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Kongo 14
Macedon 18
Persia 11
Poland 13
Rome 13
Russia 21
Scythia 16
Sumeria 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

America 11
Arabia 19
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 5
China 21
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Kongo 14
Macedon 18
Persia 11
Poland 13+1=14 - I'll continue in putting it where it belongs - to the 20 points.
Rome 13-3=10 - With Japan out, Rome comes as my next target from Japan/Rome/Brazil trio. Brazil can at least help with getting great people (and no, I don't really care if you can or can't get many great people on Deity, there are seven more difficulties too and I basically play on King only) and thus help you a little bit towards any victory. Amazon will help you with creating good cities in jungle, Minas Geraes is OP, Street Carnival is decent, and these are the reasons I'll save it as last from the weak trio. And why do I want to eliminate Rome? All Roads Lead to Rome is ridiculous ability. Trajan's columns aren't so great as many people think. Legion becomes obsolete soon. I agree that Baths are good, but thats probably the only thing that's good about Rome. And that's not really much.
Russia 21
Scythia 16
Sumeria 24

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

America 11
Arabia 19
Australia 21
Aztec 21
Brazil 5
China 21 - 3 = 18 (Wonder boost is too short lived and I don't like their UU or UI at all. I'm just not a fan of China in this game)
Egypt 22
England 12
Germany 25
Greece - Athens 19
Greece - Sparta 17
Kongo 14
Macedon 18
Persia 11
Poland 14
Rome 10 + 1 = 11 (No way Rome deserves to be this low. Free monuments and roads are huge in the early game and the Legion is great. Easily top 10 and arguably top 5 for abilities)
Russia 21
Scythia 16
Sumeria 24