Current Civ and Leader Abilities Elimination Thread.

[Kimiimaro]

Arabia 22
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 16+1=17 - Wonder spam, bonus charge for builders, advanced eurekas and inspiration... Yep, China is definitely top 10, if not top 5 material.
Egypt = 13
England 5
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 7
Macedon 19
Rome = 4-3=1 - After 24 hours, I still can't see what is so powerful that everyone keep upvoting Rome. I don't agree with it being in top 10, or even top 5. Free roads are ridiculous. Then we have free monuments. Good for players who like early game expansion, and I don't like early game expansion. And monuments aren't so expensive or don't take so much production. Legion is cheaper than Swordman, doesn't require iron and is little bit stronger, but it isn't great game changer like Polish Winged Hussar, Arabian Mamluk or Sumerian War Cart. Baths are great, I admit. But that's all. Rome from Civ V was somewhat weak, but still better than this.
Russia 20
Scythia 17
Sumeria 16

 

[Felis Renidens]

Arabia 22
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 17
Egypt = 13
England 5
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 7
Macedon 19
Rome = 2 (1+1) - in the early game there is a lot to do. free monuments is one less thing to worry about, some border expansion, reaching an early government earlier. All good stuff. Plus you get roads, legions and baths.
Russia 20
Scythia 14 (17-3) - I don't care for light cavalry that much. Or for war.
Sumeria 16

 

[Amrunril]

Arabia 22
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 17
Egypt = 10 (13 - 3) One strong but not exceptional bonus (river production) accompanied by several below average ones.
England 5
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 7
Macedon 19
Rome 3 (2 + 1) Free monuments aren't a ton of production, but the fact that they come earlier than any other bonus in the game allows for a snowballing effect,giving Rome early access to important civics and letting new cities move through their build queues faster. And the baths' bnus over the base aqueduct is enough to support two extra population in every city., which is a significant upgrade in the pre-neighborhood era.
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[jacksone kain]

Arabia 22
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 17
Egypt = 10-3 = 7 - River production is nice, but their start bias leads to having to build on flood plains. Hate having to give up those tiles for a district.
England 5+1 = 6 - Double trade routes are a huge underlooked benefit
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 7
Macedon 19
Rome 3
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

Arabia 22
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 17 - 3 = 14 (Weakest left IMO)
Egypt = 7
England = 6
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 7
Macedon 19
Rome 3 + 1 = 4 Saving them from elimination
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[Guandao]

Arabia (22-3)=19 Abilities don't deserve to have that high a score. Getting the Last Great Prophet, means all of the better faith policies are already taken...
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 14
Egypt 7
England 6
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 7
Macedon 19
Rome (4+1)=5 I'll let them hang on for a bit. I appreciate both abilities very much.
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[LethalLeigh]

Arabia 19
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 14
Egypt 7
England 7 (6+1) I like England Abilities they are a good coastal Civ.
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 7
Macedon 19
Rome 2 (5-3) Their Abilities are boring.
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[DWilson]

Arabia 19
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 14
Egypt 7
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 4 (7-3 , I feel like Gorgo's ability is simply not as good as Pericles's)
Macedon 19
Rome 3 (2+1, I feel obliged to try and defend Rome here. Early expansion is one of two dominant strategies in this game (early warmongering is the other), and they're arguably the best at it).
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[Pietato]

Arabia 16
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 14
Egypt 7 - 3 = 4
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 19
Rome 4 + 1 = 5. Best all-round civ.
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

Corrected results (Rome, Arabia) plus added my vote.

 

[Morgawr]

Arabia 16
Australia 16
Aztec 23
China 14
Egypt 4
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 7-3= 4 Suze bonus too small to be effective
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 19
Rome 5+1 = 6 Swimming against the current here.. looks like a few people are downvoting because it's "boring"; I didn't even realize that was a criteria. All valid arguments have been made already - Rome is perfect for the early snowball effect and is TOP TIER
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[Forster]

New
Arabia 16
Australia 16
Aztec 23 - 3 = 20 Don't think it is a good as Rome.
China 14
Egypt 4
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 4
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 19
Rome 6 + 1 = 7 I agree with oedali.
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[Pietato]

Rome should be on 6... Pietato added an extra point by mistake. Which put the other 2 posts off by 1.

correct scores are below.

Arabia 16
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
Egypt 4
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 4
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 19
Rome 6
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

Wrong. I was actually fixing your mistake from yesterday. Rome is on 7.

 

[LethalLeigh]

Rome = 10 + 1 = 11

Rome = 7 (10-3)

OH good catch they should have being on 11 when i put them on 10

I will delete the un-needed old post.

 

[Orange1861]

Arabia 16
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
Egypt 1 (4 - 3) About average, kind of useless if they are focusing on domestic trade routes.
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 4
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 19
Rome 8 (7 + 1) Huh, I thought that after I stopped supporting them they would be removed while I was busy this week. Glad to see that they are still here.
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

Edit - Why is Arabia at 16? Shouldn't they be at 19?

 

[jacksone kain]

Arabia 19
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
Egypt 1
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 4-3 = 1 - Gorgo's ability is better
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 19
Rome 8
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16+1 = 17 - Barb camp rewards are underrated

Edit - Why is Arabia at 16? Shouldn't they be at 19?- Yes, they should, they were dropped in #169

 

[cazaderonus]

Arabia 16
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
Egypt 1 -3 = 0 (I agree with many of the critics made about egypt so i'm taking it out, but it's still a solid civ for any VC. The bonus production on river coupled with policies and a CS allow to get some wonders fast, which in deity is a rare opportunity. Their UU is enough to defend your civ for quite a while and great to chase barbs. Finally the bonus to trade routes makes it a gold powerhouse late game. Reached +800 gpt with some trades of luxes and strategic resources )
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 4
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 19 +1 = 20 The UUs and the lack of war weariness make conquering 2/3 civs early a piece of cake. The full units heal when conquering a wonder is just icing on the cake.
Rome 8
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 16

 

[Orange1861]

Reposting due to cazaderonus skipping the the previous person by mistake.

Arabia 19
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 1
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 20
Rome 8
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 17

 

[Pietato]

Arabia is on 16. Post 169 was updating for a missed vote.

 

[Orange1861]

Arabia is on 16. Post 169 was updating for a missed vote.

Where was this missed vote? I can't find it.

 

[Amrunril]

Arabia 19
Australia 16
Aztec 20
China 14
England 7
Germany 26
Greece - Athens 1
Greece - Sparta 4
Macedon 17 (20 - 3) Strong abilities, but the best ones only trigger when you're already winning.
Rome 9 (8 + 1) Continuing to upvote Rome for its strength in the pivotal early game.
Russia 20
Scythia 14
Sumeria 17