Current Status + Future Updates

NikNaks · Jul 26, 2009

Our planned features are detailed here. I can simplify matters by saying that all of them need SDK coding in some way, which none of us (so far, anyway) can do.

EDIT: Cross-post.

Right, those you've listed aren't really features as much as core elements of the mod. I'll go through them.

1. Mostly in already, just waiting for me to add them in, I think.
2. Not done, but easy for someone to do.
3. Done.
4. Not sure. I'll check. Semi-complete, IIRC.
5. We have a few leaderheads, and a few placeholders. Check out the art thread. Code wise, we're very scratchy, I think.
6. Sheep's on that, IIRC.
7. That's a "feature" as mentioned before.
8. Civics coded. Locking not done yet (needs Python/SDK).
9. I think we decided on a reasonable ratio a while ago. Something like 1:10 000 (I can't remember).

Joecoolyo · Jul 27, 2009

Ok, leaderheads and graphics can wait until after beta, as they aren't really necessary for gameplay purposes. They're probably the last thing we're going to add to the mod.

Oh, and so no one on the project knows SDK? Hmm... do you know anyone who does? Is there anyway to advertise besides our sigs?

Adhesive86 · Jul 28, 2009

Joecoolyo said:
Oh, and so no one on the project knows SDK? Hmm... do you know anyone who does? Is there anyway to advertise besides our sigs?

We could post on relevant forums? In order to maximise chances of success though our posts need to be clear on what we want and also to give the helper the confidence that their work will go into a finished project. So the sort of detailing you guys have been doing in last few days should be included.

On an aside, I'm sat here watching you guys with no modding skills personally, but I do have a real interest in history, international relations etc and have done elements of these in my degree. I'd be more than willing to do an excel matrix of opening diplomatic positions for each from the civ list, which someone then then input as appropriate further down the line (e.g. UK-US: +15 'Past events have proved your good nature', UK-Argentina: -10 'Past events have proved your bad nature etc'. If anyone is interested in using me to do anythig like this then PM me.

Joecoolyo · Jul 28, 2009

Adhesive86 said:
We could post on relevant forums? In order to maximise chances of success though our posts need to be clear on what we want and also to give the helper the confidence that their work will go into a finished project. So the sort of detailing you guys have been doing in last few days should be included.

On an aside, I'm sat here watching you guys with no modding skills personally, but I do have a real interest in history, international relations etc and have done elements of these in my degree. I'd be more than willing to do an excel matrix of opening diplomatic positions for each from the civ list, which someone then then input as appropriate further down the line (e.g. UK-US: +15 'Past events have proved your good nature', UK-Argentina: -10 'Past events have proved your bad nature etc'. If anyone is interested in using me to do anythig like this then PM me.

Oooh that's actually a really good idea! I don't think we've actually covered that portion of the mod yet (I'm 90% sure, you could ask NikNaks if we have or haven't), if we haven't, then that would be really cool if you did

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NikNaks · Jul 28, 2009

Yes, absolutely! It'd be a great help.

Please, go right ahead!

Adhesive86 · Jul 29, 2009

NikNaks said:
Yes, absolutely! It'd be a great help. Please, go right ahead!

Great, i'm giving values for 3 variable only:

1) Existing relations (as represented by the 'past events')

2) Open Borders?

3) Defence Pact?

4) War/Peace

Modifiers for religion, culture etc I am not doing at this point as i do not have enough understanding of how the mod is going to work.

If anyone has any comments or suggestions re the above and the variables i am using please feel free to provide them. Please understand that i am merely providing an excel file of information as i do not know how to mod the game. Otherwise i'll send the file to niknaks when i've done.

NikNaks · Aug 1, 2009

That's fine

We can work out the more complicated things when the features are settled.

Everyone else, how's progress with setting up SVN going? I haven't heard anything...

MasterOfDomain · Aug 18, 2009

Might we need to pull things back on course soon? I'm willing to put in some time for the Civilopedia and such, but my role is hardly the most crucial. Could a "List of users still with us" be in order? ^_^

Mattygerst · Aug 18, 2009

I've been working pretty much non-stop lately:

Things accomplished:

All leaders added
All units/unit ratios added/figured out
Map work currently being done.
Corporation effect changes

Things needed to be done:
Unique Units/buildings added to XML (not an entirely big deal)
Unit/Building/Leaderhead art (on NikNaks to do this)
Art added for the icons for the Corporations (again, NikNaks)

sandman730 · Aug 19, 2009

I'll get back to the UUs ASAP

Joecoolyo · Aug 20, 2009

sandman730 said:
I'll get back to the UUs ASAP

I thought you finished those?

Mattygerst · Aug 20, 2009

Like I said:

Everyone thought so much of this was allll done. But when NikNaks and myself went thru all the work. Nothing, hardly, had actually been completed. The work that had actually been done was the lists put on the forums. No real, actual work had been done.

Basically, myself and NikNaks have had to do this from scratch starting from the other week.

This is the final civ list that we decided to go with since nothing was done and we have had to go on doing all the work, basically, ourselves. Outside of I believe IanInsane for doing all of the work for Ideologies (good job, btw). We had some ideas down, but not a lot of actual, real work was ever implemented. So thats what we've been doing. Trying to play catchup instead of being stuck with nothing done, still.

Spoiler :

Adhesive86 · Aug 20, 2009

Mattygerst said:
Like I said:

Everyone thought so much of this was allll done. But when NikNaks and myself went thru all the work. Nothing, hardly, had actually been completed. The work that had actually been done was the lists put on the forums. No real, actual work had been done.

Basically, myself and NikNaks have had to do this from scratch starting from the other week.

This is the final civ list that we decided to go with since nothing was done and we have had to go on doing all the work, basically, ourselves. Outside of I believe IanInsane for doing all of the work for Ideologies (good job, btw). We had some ideas down, but not a lot of actual, real work was ever implemented. So thats what we've been doing. Trying to play catchup instead of being stuck with nothing done, still.

Spoiler :

50 total:
7 West
1 Latin america alliance
11 Europe
1 Nato
1 EU
4 N Africa
4 African Alliances (East, West, central, AU) - We may add in more Failed
6 Middle East
2 SW Asia
2 Central Asia
4 SE Asia
3 East Asia
1 Australia & pacific realm
1 Minor States
1 Failed States

West: 7
Usa
canada
Mexico
brazil
argentina
peru
chile

Latin america alliance: 1
venezuela
ecuador
bolivia
cuba
nicaragua
honduras
dominican republic

europe: 11
UK
spain
france
germany
poland
italy
sweden
turkey
ukraine
croatia
switzerland

NATO: 1
norway
iceland
denmark
estonia
latvia
lithuania

european union: 1
belgium
netherlands
ireland
portugal
greece
bulgaria
romania
czech rep.
austria
hungary
finland

N Africa: 4
libya
egypt
morocco
algeria

Africa East/Central/West/AU Alliances: 4 (some to be removed as F.States)
West: 1
sierra leone
Liberia
Cameroon
togo
Nigeria

Central: 1
Mali
Niger
Zambia
Angola

East: 1
Tanzania
Mozambique
Ethiopia
namibia

African Union: 1
South Africa
tunisia
Senegal
Ghana

Middle East: 6
saudi arabia
jordan
syria
israel
iran
lebanon

central asia: 2
russia - Belarus
CACO: tajikistan - kazakhstan - Kyrgyzstan -
Turkmenistan - uzbekistan

West/South Asia: 2
pakistan
India

SouthEast Asia: 4
China: 1
thailand: 1
indonesia: 1
ASEAN: 1
vietnam
philippines
malaysia
singapore

East Asia: 3
N Korea
S Korea
Japan

Pacific realm: 1
australia - new zealand

minor states: 1
Paraguay
Uruguay
Guyana
Suriname
French Guiana
serbia/bosnia
albania
macedonia
moldovoa
cyprus
kuwait
oman
costa rica
United arab emirates
armenia

Failed States: 1
sudan
somalia
zimbabwe
Chad
Central African Republic
Kenya
Haiti
Ivory coast
guinea
madagascar
Iraq (US involvment)
afghanistan (US involment)
colombia
(More possible with map completion)

Cool, but Colombia and Kenya certainly should not be failed states. Yes they have issues, but are far from failed states. Zimbabwe, Somalia etc yes, but these are completely different.

Also, Croatia?

Mattygerst · Aug 20, 2009

Well, the only reason for that was this:

#1: Croatia's GDP is highest of all the non-EU minor countries: serbia, bosnia, albania, macedonia, moldovoa - as Croatia's world ranking of #64 is 20+ higher than any of those other countries I believe.

#2: I put Croatia in place of Colombia because it helped break up the conglomerate of Minor Nations who are not playable in SW Europe.

#3: Certainly, as we look at the map many countries will change from Minor to Failed, and Failed to Minor. Those 2 lists only, were more of less mixed together as they were made as a way to keep them out of being playable countries. Also - certainly we can talk of dropping Croatia for Colombia, but as I said, it was just a way to try to temper SW Europe from being immediately invaded by other European countries. But, that is pretty much the only trade off I feel I really made: Croatia for Colombia but we can discuss changing it if need be.

#3(A): Thinking now, it seems that most of these nations will be made Minor States. As for the reason: if a Civ decides to attack a Minor Nation...trying for imperialism, the civ will most likely have to deal with some type of war in real life...so if we have a lot of Minor Nations to deal with, and therefore a bit more robust opponent to attack, it will help temper the AI and human player from taking on Minor States at will.

Adhesive86 · Aug 20, 2009

Ok but on that basis, please don't call Australia 'pacific realm'. Australia is far too big not to be called by its name. And is bigger than both Croatia and Columbia on both GNP (not including illicit drugs!) and geography. If you want to aggregate Australia and New Zealand than I guess call it either just 'Australia', or if aggregated 'Australasia, or 'Oceania'.

Are you planning on representing Croatia as a conglomerate, as if not you're only going to fit one city in? Colombia is playable in GEM and would have good relations with USA as well as around 4 cities I guess. In any event, if not playable both Kenya and Colombia should be minor, not failed.

I know this is just early stuff so please don't see me as being too critical

Mattygerst · Aug 20, 2009

No, its not critical. Everything only helps, and only small issues like this are easy to deal with.

#1: I mean...we could just leave Australia alone (I wasn't calling it Pacific Realm - just that it was going to include New Zealand and a couple of tributary islands along with Australia). But...we could simply leave Australia alone, and have New Zealand, etc., be a Minor Nation. But that means that Australia will eventually go to war with them and thats not exactly likely. So I figured combining them into one was easiest & best for playability. There is only so much you can do with a 50-civ DLL.

#2: I was planning on leaving Croatia alone as just the city of Zagreb. But, there are a few cities in the Balkans-area that will be on the map...most notable: Zagreb, Tirana, Belgrade. We could easily just call these the Balkan States. But...they're not formally aligned at all, by any stretch of the imagination, which is why I left them as Minor States. Giving a Balkan State as being united isn't exactly realistic. Not as realistic as an Australia/New Zealand pact since those 2 countries work closely together. Again, there is only so much you can do with a 50-civ DLL.

#3: If you'd rather see the larger bloc of the Balkans simply remain Minor, and leave Colombia as a playable civ - it doesn't bother me. Colombia is more of a 'rogue' nation that is a bit unbalanced in real life compared to a nation like Croatia that is attempting to be more up&coming with membership potential to the EU. So, either Croatia as a single city country. Or the Balkans represented with a 3 city plot. Or the Balkan territory left as Minor, and Colombia as a playable civ.

Brownsfan02 · Aug 20, 2009

Columbia should be a failed state, because the person in charge is the drug lord with the biggest gang.

ianinsane · Aug 21, 2009

Balkans could work either way but I strongly suggest to have Colombia as an independent civ since it is the only local adversary of Venezuela and the ALBA states and the only strong US ally in South America. If there will be an upcoming war in South America it will most probably be between Colombia and Venezuela.

Joecoolyo · Aug 21, 2009

Mattygerst said:
Like I said:

Everyone thought so much of this was allll done. But when NikNaks and myself went thru all the work. Nothing, hardly, had actually been completed. The work that had actually been done was the lists put on the forums. No real, actual work had been done.

Basically, myself and NikNaks have had to do this from scratch starting from the other week.

This is the final civ list that we decided to go with since nothing was done and we have had to go on doing all the work, basically, ourselves. Outside of I believe IanInsane for doing all of the work for Ideologies (good job, btw). We had some ideas down, but not a lot of actual, real work was ever implemented. So thats what we've been doing. Trying to play catchup instead of being stuck with nothing done, still.

Cheesemijit and I both finished off the UB's, I think that counts as some work completed (though some of those aren't really all that relevant with the whole map redesign recently). I don't want to see my months of work go to waste.

NikNaks · Aug 21, 2009

I think Matty is exaggerating a touch, but there really was very little done. What work we do have is being salvaged where possible.

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