CVN1 - Not So Corrupted Romans

Sorry guys, it'll be a bit longer before I can play these turns. I looked at the save, and things don't look good. We are at war with three civs, we have no offensive troops, and our cities are defended by legions and spears. Kadesh is very likely going to fall, as Arabia and Korea have an MPP, and we're in Korean lands ATM. Korea has two cavs, a MI, and a musket waiting to assault the city. I simply don't have the patience for this right now.

I'm going to see Oklahoma! Tues night, but I'll DEFINITELY play after that. Sorry for the hold up. :(
 
After much waiting ...

OK, let’s see what we’ve got here. We’re currently at war with Korea and Japan. However, we have troops in Korean territory and they have a MPP with Arabia. We’ve got over 2800 gold in the bank. Researching Electricity in 8 at –2gpt. We have no available offensive troops and our cities are defended by spears and legions, for the most part. We’ve got 8 turns left on a 125 gpt deal with Greece. They probably wouldn’t need much convincing to jump on us. Nearly our entire core is tied up building factories.

I rush a handful of cavs at 200+ gold each. Also short rush a musket in Kadesh, though I’m not sure we can hold it even then.

During MM, see that about 8 cities will riot next turn.

IT – Neapolis completes Miltary Academy. Start cav. Tarsus cav -> cav. Harran cav -> cav. Hattusha cav -> cav. Pisae cav -> cav. Ugarit cav -> cav. Hattusas cav -> cav. Kadesh musket -> musket. Brundisium cav -> cav. Arabs declare on us.

900 ad (1) – Trade france Indust for nationalism, WM, 98g, and 68 gpt. Trade Greece Indust for WM, 1150g, and 71 gpt. Trade Sumeria Magnetism for 5g, and alliance vs Japan and Arabia. That ends their embargo vs us, so we trade them spices and wines for gems and 17g. Trade England Indust for Wm, 105g, and alliance vs Japan and Arabia. Trade Maya demo for alliance vs our enemies, 70g, and WM.

OK, so its quite the tangled web, but it’s better than a dogpile on us, right?

IT – our musket in Kadesh holds off two vet cavs, promotes, and redlines. Korea declared on the English. So did France. Hattusas market -> cav.

910 ad (2) – I lose one cav and redline one learning that there at least three rifles in Khurasan. Looks like we’ll need some cannons. Cheju is a bit better, as I kill two spears and a pike, only to lose a legion and elite MI. There are still at least two spears there. Rush a few more cavs and a couple cannons.

IT – Hattusas cannon -> cannon. Tarsus cav -> cav. Ugarit cav -> cav. Harran cav -> cav. Pisae cannon -> cannon. Hattusha cav -> cav.

920 ad (3) – Three vet cavs won vs pikes/spears in Cheju. Still more units there.

930 ad (4) – Cheju finally falls. Send an excursion to test the waters in Korea.

IT – The one I was hoping against happened. Greece was signed on against us. We went from +123gpt to –73gpt. Electricity in 3.

940 ad (5) – Land my excursion on iron muntain next to Pusan.

IT – The four cavs I landed are quickly decimated. (though I think the RNG was being a bit unfair) Kadesh finally falls. Apparently no one wants our goods, because nearly everyone has a trade embargo against us.

950 ad (6) – Not much doing here. Just waiting for all these factories to finish.

IT – Neapolis cav -> factory.
960 ad (7) – Still nothing much. Electricity due in 1.

IT – The Greeks have been destroyed. We get electricity, sci meth next in 8. Pisae cannon -> cannon. Viroconium factory -> Heroic Epic. Cheju worker -> worker.

970 ad (8) – Zzzzz (I wish!)

IT – Hattusas cannon -> frigate. Veii factory -> bank. Pompeii factory -> bank.

980 ad (9) – Zzzzz.

Recap – didn’t really accomplish much, but I did manage to not lose much too. Most of our available troops are in Hispalis. Keep a wary eye on the diplo screen, as the WW is starting to mount. Also, I think the turns are off by one, but sice it's 5 am here, I didn't feel like playing another one.

>>>SAVE<<<
 
~ Cuivienen
~ andvruss
~ SensOfWthr
~ Bede
~ microbe

We do indeed need more military, and lots of it! We must crush the infidel Japanese and Koreans! Good luck on the :hammer:, Bede.
 
We're going to need a bunch of troops to take the Korean island. They immediately sent many units out to destroy the force I landed. Should be able to catch up pretty well militarily soon, as all of our factory builds are starting to finish up. Unfortunately, the usefullness of cavs is rapidly coming to an end.

The Age of Artillery is beginning.
 
I wrote the post then forgot to hit submit. Got it and will play tomorrow evening.
 
No :hammer: this time. Ya' can't drive a railroad spike with a tack hammer :)


Diplomatic situation:
Maya allied with Japan against us. We have no alliances against Maya.
We are at peace with the Hittites!!
We are allied with Sumeria against Japan and Arabia 11 turns to go, so no peace with them in this set.
Korea and Egypt are allied against us. We have no allies against them ATM.
We are at peace with Mongols, England and France.

We have 64 units, 28 of them workers, so only 36 effectives to put in the field, that includes 4 galleons, 9 legions, 9 spearman, 2 muskets and 6 cavalry and 8 mostly useless.

So first order of business is open peace negotiations with Maya, Egypt and Korea (did I mention that war weariness is killing us throughout our cities) Shut off scinece and lux so that I have some gpt to bargain with.

The Maya won't deign to talk.
Korea will pay us 46g +1gpt for peace. Table the offer for now.
The Egyptians won't talk.
Accept Korea's generous offer. He is still in the Middle Ages.

Peace with Korea is worth two happy citizens in every city and war weariness goes to less than 35%.

Time to look for some deals with our peaceful neighbors.

The only possible trading partner is England: so ship her wine for 5gpt, spices for 2gpt, saltpeter for 103g+15gpt, and iron for 29gpt, so she can keep up the good fight against the Japanese and the Arabs.

With SciMeth due in 5 @-15gpt switch Pompeii to FP to accumulate shields for ToE.

Fire all the clowns and taxmen and put the citizens back to work except in the rioting cities who keep their taxmen.

Egypt bombards our coast again and sails a frigate into the neighborhood of our galleons at Lutetia

Short rush a university at Ravenna which completes its bank.

1-1000
Gang workers for greater effienciency and concentrate on high output terrain.

Switch builds in Hittite towns to workers, We need more to get the hills and mountains mined and railroaded and the high food tiles irrigated.

The Arabs have a galleon parked off our west coast. Wonder what he's going to drop off.

Maya and Egypt still won't talk.

Korea and Japan take on the Mongols.

France and Japan take on the Hittites.

Japanese fleet leaves our coastline, looking for easier(?) targets, I guess.

Two towns riot. the impact of the peace treaty with Korea was not as lasting as I had thought.

France allies with Egypt against us.

2-1010
Keep deveoping infrastructure and terrain

Egyptians start Universal Suffrage.

England loses its harbor and our income tanks.

3-1020
Sell England electricity and get most of the income back 234+65gpt. Take Fascism as well.

Move troops to south to cover French galleon.

4-1030
Arabs invade with a single rifelman. Troops that went south, return north and kill him.

Arabs drop off troops at Pisae

5-1040
It costs a cavalryman and two legions, but the Arab invasion is over, for now.

Egypt will talk...We get Espionage, 379g and her maps for Electricity and our maps. The peace treaty does nothing for the happiness of our people,

The French drop off a longbow at Pisae:eek:

Arabs send another rifleman in. This time towards Cheju

We learn SciMeth and shut off research. Start ToE in Pompeii.

6-1060
Wipe out french longbow.
Bombard Arab rifle, wounding it, then lose a cav promoting it.
Arabs attack Hispalis with a cav, but lose it.. Wounded rifle retreats.
Sumeria and England sign an MPP.

7-1070
Get Peace and 10g from the Maya
Japanese and Arabs will now talk to us.
The French still won't talk.
Korea and France join in an embargo against us.

8-1080
Not much to report.
Hittites and Egypt sign a Peace Treaty.
Arabs capture a bunch of workers

9-1090
Lose a cav finishing off the odffending Arab cav following bommbardment to crippled
Recapture workers and cover with rifles and cannon
War weariness continues to rise.
Mongols declare on Sumeria.
Arab rifles appear in NE again.
Japanese destroy the Hittites.
England declares on the Mongols.

War weariness hits intolerable levels and riots break out in Hieraconopolis, Hispalis, Ugarit and Pisae.

10-1100
Peace is at hand. Alliances with Sumeria cancelled. We can get A Peace Treaty 389g+250gpt from Toku for SciMeth. As ToE is due in 7 in Pompeii, see little risk there. so sign.

Immediately open an embassy in Kyoto: it is only capable of 21 spt and lacks a factory.

Sign a peace deal with Arabia and get another 2250g for SciMeth. (Abu has over 5200g in his treasury).

Sign a straight up Peace Treaty with Joan.

Trade maps around with everybody else for spare change.

Sign a peace deal with Joan.

The wars are over, for us, for now. The rest of the world is embroiled in fighting. there is a good old-fashioned donnybrook going on on the other continent.

I took the cash and rushed improvements where I could. Rome is building UnivSuff as a pre-build for Hoover's with ToE due in 7 at Pompeii.

Research is set at Sanitation at 80%. There is still some residual unhappiness so lux is at 20% with a couple of clowns or taxmen in some places. But our largest cities are content and secure.

The next round should see us building military for a takedown of the Koreans in the set after. Unfortunately I sent the galleons to the south when I thought the war with Japan had some time to go, but they can be brought back to the north in time to freight troops across to Korea.

We have 40 workers and that is still not enough. There is a great deal of improvement to be done in the mountains and on the hills and a certain amoutn of terrain trimming to do as rails come on line.

I would have liked to kick the Arabs off the island but it just wasn't in the cards. They had a Protection Pact with the Mngols and we didn't need another opponent, thoughthe Mongols are poor and somewhat backward, it just wasn't worth the added unhappiness.


I think our best shot at victory right now is Space.
 
The only possible trading partner is England: so ship her wine for 5gpt, spices for 2gpt, saltpeter for 103g+15gpt, and iron for 29gpt, so she can keep up the good fight against the Japanese and the Arabs.

And this trashed our rep.

Never sell resources when the route isn't safe. Some people say even if you only trade for gpt, it would hit rep too but I haven't verified it. And you traded for hard gold.

I still want a military win. I'll see what I can do.
 
preturn: I don't like it. We totally lost our Hitties island, and we don't even control our own continent. We need to ramp up military asap. But we are building coal plants? When hooever is due in 17 turns (which will be greatly shortened when we railroading more)??? I personally never bother with Coal plants except for preparation of building important wonders - they cause notorious pollution. I switch most of them to universities and banks.

And why are we researching Sanitation?? We should have gone for Replaceable Parts! For infantry and double-speed workers and artillery!

And the last thing: avoid making peace at your last turn. I'm left with a lot of 20-turn peace treaties.

Move units around to have at least one defense in each city.

We can fire taxman in Rome and make 50spt.

Sell Sci Meth to Egypt for ironclads+33gpt+25g.

Our peace treaty with Korea expire in 9 turns, I'll prepare for that.

IBT Arabia declares on Japan.

(1)1110AD: Railroading around Pompeii bringing ToE one turn earlier.

I sell Nationalism to Mongols for 165g+28gpt+WM.

(2)1120AD: More railroading and mining makes Universal Suffrage (Hoover prebuild) in 11 turns.

IBT Egypt destroyed Sumeria. France/Arabia sign MPP and MA against Japan.

(3)1130AD: I buy ivory+incense+furs from Japan with wines+spices+39gpt. Lux to 0.

I switch Pisae from Factory to FP in 5 turns with some MM.

(4)1140AD: Nothing.

IBT Mongols and Korea make peace. France completes Universal Suffrage. :eek:

(5)1150AD: Unfortunately we are building Universal Suffrage in our capital so cannot switch to Palace. I switch it to Intelligence Agency and Veii from IA to Palace. This will delay Hoover Dam by about 2 turns.

I get Communism+10g+WM from England by Espionage+ironclads+Sci Method. England is 2CC now.

IBT We get ToE, Atomic Theory and Electronics. Start max sci on RP due in 7.

(6)1160AD: Switch Veii to Hoover due in 10.

Sell Sanitation to Arabia for 9gpt+2524g (full price). All others are broke.
Sell wines+spices to Arabia for 37gpt. Then I realize another 20 turns peace with Arabia.

IBT England and Arabia sign peace, but the latter declares on the former immediately.

IA, Iron Works due.

(7)1170AD: I successfully planted spies in all but England, which I didn't bother to try.

Korea: 33 pikes + 15 MDI + 3 kights + 6 longbow
Mongols: 33 pikes + 3 longbow + 8 rifle + 6 Keshik + 6 MDI
Japan: 40 rifle + 10 cav
Maya: 46 spears + 19 longbow + 3 horse + 3 JT
Arabia: 39 rifle + 10 cav
France: 14 spear + 16 longbow + 57 rifle + 5 musketeer + 8 crusaders
Egypt: 47 rifle + 17 cav

These AIs have very little offensive force.

IBT FP due. Corruption dropped from 69 to 53.

(8)1180AD: Japan suddenly has a lot of money, so I sell Sanitation to it for 1300g (full price). I upgrade 4 spears to riflemen by 720g.

IBT Maya and England make peace.

(9)1190AD: Our peace treaty with Korea ended, but we don't have enough forces yet.

Lutetia is about to riot, switch ironclads to Cathedra and rush by 520g.

IBT England and France make peace. Korea asks to renew peace, sigh, no way. So we are at war with them.

(10)1200AD: I sign embargo against Korea with everybody but France/Arabia wouldn't do it. Short rush two cavs. Rush galleon in Cheju. Rush factory in Byzantium.

Bad news is Korea now has 2 musketmen. I should have done the embargo earlier.

I'm gathering units on the hill north to Rome: currently we have 8 cavs, 1 rifle and 4 cannons. 4 cavs due next turn.

I suggest we wait for RP to complete (3 turns), and upgrade all rifles to infantry. Then send over ~12 cav, 4 infantry and 4 artillery in the first wave, and keep reinforcing. We have 4 galleons in Lutetia, another one due next turn, and an ironclad in 3 turns as escort. Korea only has 4 caravels which wouldn't be a threat anyway.

Probably the iron mountain next to Pusan would be the invasion point.

Put only one unit in Korean city except the first turn to avoid flip loss.

Hoover in 6 turns, then remember to sell all coal plants! We don't want unnecessary maintenance and pollution.

I'm building workers in the size-1 cities.

We should also build Heronic Epic - Byzantium could start on it next turn.

Egypt is almost as big as us, and not fighting anyone seriously, which is not good. At some point we need to launch a dogpile against it.

Roster:

Cuivienen - up
andvruss - on deck
SensOfWthr
Bede
microbe
 
If Andvruss can get this back to me tonight, great. Otherwise I'll need a skip between Thurs and Monday as I'm moving. Will be able to lurk at work though.
 
IBT: Egyptians destroy English
Egypt and Arabia sign alliace vs Japan.
Korea and Japan sign alliace against Arabia
We lose incense
Neapolis cav-cav
Ravenna cav-cannonCheju galleon-galleon
Byzantium factory-court
Almost all our cities riot.

1210: Trade spices and 13gpt to Japan for incense
Luxes to 10

IBT: Tarsus cav-temple
Harran worker-temple
Pompeii cav-cav
Hispalis cav-bank
Brundismworker-temple

1220: Many civs have RP now, so Sci to 10%, and due in 1.

IBT: We learn RP-The Corp
Rome cav-bank
Hattashush worker-temple
Byzatium court-colosseum

1230: Ummmm....we have no rubber. korea has 2. Attack ships loaded up this turn to attack. Upgrade arty. Cavs loaded, wait 1 turn for escort

IBT: Cleo demands wines. I tell her to shove it and she declares!
Spot an Egyptian frigrate
Hattashus worker-temple
Cumae cav-colosseum
Neapolis cav-cav
Pompeii cav-cav
Ravenna barracks-factory
Luteria clad-clad

1240: An egyptian clad is next to our stack of 5 galleons and 1 clad

IBT: France and Egypt sign an embargo vs us :(
frigate bombards our clad, but fails and runs away
Hispalis bank-colosseum

1250: Troops land on the hill south of Pusan

IBT: Vet empty galleon barely defeats vet frigate
Rome bank-cav
Pompeii cav-bank
Byzantium colosseum-cathedral

1255: Bombard all defenders (2 pikes) in Pusan to red hp
Vet cav flawlessly defeats 1 hp pike, promoting to elite
Vet cav flawlessly defeats 1 hp pike, and we take the city.
Other cavs (12) move next to Pyong Yang (rubber)

IBT: Lose a cav to and MDI, lose another to a pike
Korean troops show up en masse. I will capture city, and fortify in it.
Veii Hoover Dam :)- colosseum
Neapolis cav-bank
Lutetia clad-clad

1260: Sell all coal plants.
Vet cav kills 2 hp pike on hill, -1hp
Elite cav kills vet pike, -3hp
Vet cav retreats from vet pike, -2hp to pike
Vet cav flawlessly kills vet pike
Vet cav flawlesly defeated by 2 hp pike, retreats
Vet cav dies to 2 hp pike grrrrrr
Vet cav flawessly defetas vet LB
Vet cav flawlessly defeats 1 hp pike, and we take the city, along with 2 workers and rubber :D.
Upgrade 8 rifles to inf

IBT: Trade embargo between France and Korea against us ends
Trade embargo with the Mongols and French against us ends
Vet cav kills MDI attacking, promotes to elite.
We discover The corp and....

CVN1_SGL.JPG


Rome inf-inf
Tarsus temple-factory
Cumae colosseum-inf
HIspalis colosseum-inf
Virconium hospital-stocj exchange

1265: Elite cav flawlessly kills 2 hp pike on our iron
Vet cav barely kills pike, promotes to elite

Last 2 tuirns to follow after I restart.
 
An SGL! But at a bad time.

What to do with it? We need to use it up so we can keep getting MGLs.

I have no idea..do we have military acadamy? If not rush it in our most productive city.

EDIT: we have corporation. We can rush Wall Street in a few turns maybe.

This is where I like MGL better than SGL..
 
About Egypt: Are we ready yet?

I think we have already completed military academy, for I cant see it on build queues. We havent completed Wall Street Or Heroic Epic, and Battlefield Medicine (if we have 5 hospitals. Completeing turns now.
 
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