CVN2 -- The Uncouth

[TedJackson]

CVN02-4000BC

0 - 4000BC
Worker W - nothing revealed
Settler SW

1 - 3950BC
Salamanca founded on coast, starts Warrior
Worker mine
Research Writing @ 20%

2 - 3900BC
NTR

3 - 3850BC
NTR

4 - 3800BC
NTR

5 - 3750BC
NTR

Salamanca Warrior (Alf) - Curragh

6 - 3700BC
Alf E

7 - 3650BC
Worker mine - road
Alf SE

8 - 3600BC
Alf S
Lux 20% (Salamaca grew)

9 - 3550BC
Alf S

IBT
Salamanca Curragh (Aspen) - Warrior

10 - 3500bc
Aspen 2W
Worker road - E
Alf SW (avoids GH)

IBT
Salamanca's borders expand - Silks just outside

11 - 3450BC
Worker mine
Aspen 2 NW
Alf SW
Research 10%
Lux 10%

12 - 3400BC
Alf S
Aspen S, SW

IBT
Salamanca Warrior (Bert) - Curragh

13 - 3350BC
Aspen SW, W - spots Roman Warrior (across strait?)
Rome (annoyed) - up BW & WC, down Pottery - 2 cities - 10gp
Cannot afford to trade (they must be in contact with another civ as they have Alphabet already)
Alf E

14 - 3300BC
Aspen 2S
Alf E
Bert E

15 - 3250BC
Aspen S, SE
Alf E
Bert N
Lux 30% (salamanca grew)

16 - 3200BC
Aspen 2S
Alf E
Bert NW - spots GH NNE

IBT
Salamanca Curragh (Beech) - Settler

17 - 3150BC
Worker mine - road
Aspen 2SE
Beech SW, S
Alf S
Bert N

18 - 3100BC
Aspen S, SW - spots a Roman stack (3 Warriors, 1 Archer)
Beech SW, S
Alf S
Bert NW

19 - 3050BC
Aspen 2S - spots Dark Blue border further South
Beech 2S
Alf E - spots Incense
Bert W

20 - 3000BC
Worker road - NE
Aspen E, SE
Beech 2SE
Alf SE
Bert NW

The World (as we know it)

Notes
Not a madly exciting set of turns but we're in a reasonable position and have some explorers out and about.

Salamanca is due to grow & build a Settler in 2 turns. With only +3fpt and our present 6spt there doesn't seem much sense in building a Granary until all 6 BG are fully improved.

I would send the Settler SE along the river, settling either S (Red) or SSE (Green) from the Sugar. Alternatively we could strike out South for the Floodplains (Blue), remembering that with no culture allowed the city would be isolated for quite some time.

There is another Civ, whose borders we can just see, to be discovered. With the Roman stack so close, it's quite possible that they're at war with each other or about to go to war

There's not much point in trading until we discover some more AI, to lower the costs of the 1st level techs, so I would keep Salamanca producing Curraghs between Settlers.

The save is > here <


Ted

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

Nice set of opening turns. Our start looks promising, as it appears we aren't going to be too cramped and hopefully won't have much in the way of cultural pressure. I'll settle at the red dot and keep up the exploration.

Got it.

 

[Kaiser_Berger]

Preturn- We look good.

IT- Roman stack moves south.

T1 2950

Exploration. Looks like we may be on the same landmass as Rome.

IT- Salamanca-settler-curragh

Beech sees a Babylonian spearman come out of the fog. Great, we have no culture, and we're going to be bordered by the kings of culture

T2 2900

Babylon is up 5 visible tech on us already. No trade oppurtunities yet.

The settler begins it's trek to the red dot.

More exploration. Discover a GH NW of Salamanca.

IT- Roman stack reappears.

T3 2850

Aspen confirms that we are on the same landmass as Rome.

Nothing else of interest.

IT- Babylon starts the Pyramids.

T4 2800

Nothing.

IT- Salamanca-curragh-curragh

T5 2750

Alf spots spices to the SE.

IT- ZZZ

T6 2710

Niagra Falls founded. Set to warrior. Will need it as there's a barb camp right outside it's borders.

Alf discovers a barb camp with 4 warriors in it. I have a feeling the barbarians might be a bit of a nuisance.

IT- Alf surives 3 consecutive barb attacks, promoting to elite and losing only one hp.

T7 2670

Alf fortifies to recover from battle. Not much else.

IT- Salamaca-curragh-warrior

T8 2630

I decide to let Alf have revenge against the barb camp. He loses two hp, but brings home the 25g.

IT- Two barbs move towards Niagra Falls.

T9 2590

I raise lux for Salamanca.

IT- The two barbs sack Niagra Falls for a combined total of 84g

Salamanca-warrior-warrior

T10 2550

Not much to report. Just some more exploration.

Afterthoughts

There wasn't too much of interest in my turns.After the next warrior completes, Salamanca should pump out another settler.

 

[TedJackson]

Steady stuff Kaiser-Berger

Here's an overview of the known world

Ted

 

[conehead234]

Ok. I got it.

 

[Cuivienen]

Definetely looks good -- sorry I disappeared for a day or so.

We definetely want to expand southwards with our tight build. The north can be filled in later, but we may lose the south if we don't settle fast enough. Salamanca should probably produce mostly Settlers, as we're on a peninsula and so neither barbs nor other civs will be a huge challenge.

We'll want top use our AA advantages (Agri trait and strong UU) to gain a head start over the AIs before they a) Build a lot of Libraries and b) attain high levels of culture. (Particularily Babylon.) If we can get Horseback Riding ASAP and then bowl over Babylon early, it will make this game a lot easier than it otherwise might be.

 

[Tarkeel]

I'm willing to give it a try

You should probably allow FP/SPHQ as the only small wonders though

 

[conehead234]

First the SAVE. This was a pretty boring set of turns.

Preturn-MM our citys, switch Salamanca to granary.
IT- Niagara falls warrior->warrior.
1- exploration
IT- nada
2- exploration
IT-nada
3- exploration
IT-nada
4-exporation
IT-nada
5- exploration (notice a pattern)
IT- Niagrara falls warrior->warrior.
6- find roman city of Cumae. LUx to 40 to keep salamanca happy.
IT-nada
7-wack a barb camp, Bablyon beats us to writing.
IT-Salamanca granery->warrior.
8-exploration,
IT-nada
9-contact greece.
IT-Salamanca warrior->settler.
10-more of the same

 

[Cuivienen]

Welcome, Tarkeel! If you're ready to take this now, you're up.

Roster:

Cuivienen (On Deck)
TedJackson
Kaiser_Berger
conehead234
Tarkeel (Up)

 

[Tarkeel]

I see it, won't be able to play it till tomorrow though.

 

[TedJackson]

Long time, no see Tarkeel. Welcome aboard.


Ted

 

[Cuivienen]

That's fine. I'll hopefully have my disk drive up and running by then.

 

[Tarkeel]

(0) 2150 BC
Our cities look good. Babylon has writing, nobody else does, but no trade possible.

(1) 2110 BC
Niagra Falls: Warrior -> Warrior
Send warrior back to Salamanca for MP
We meet Japan: THey have 85g, all base techs + writing, and 4 cities.

(2) 2070 BC
2 barbs approach from north.

(3) 2030 BC
Salamanca grows, Lux to 30%

(4) 1990
Salamanca: Settler -> Curragh
Lux to 20%

IBT:
2 barbs attack our warrior, the second one killing it.

(5) 1950 BC
Not much

(6) 1910 BC
Niagara Falls: Warrior -> Worker

(7) 1870 BC
Salamanca: Curragh -> Settler

IBT:
Warrior kills attacking barb.
Curragh sinks attacking barb
Babylon start Colossus

(8) 1790 BC
2 Barb horsemen from the NW.
Warrior pops hut for maps.

(9) 1750 BC
Not much.

IBT:
Kyoto finishes Oracle, Greeks and Romans cascade to pyramids

(10)
Writing comes in. Start min on lit, our economy is pretty weak still.
Salamanca: Settler -> Warrior
Niagra FAlls: Worker -> Granary

Settler and Warrior are unmoved, need to decide on where to settle next.

Here is a proposition of a dot map: Purple are filler cities, and blue is where settler is right now.

All but Greece has Writing now. Writing + 79g can get us BW+TW from him, trade not made.

Save

 

[Tarkeel]

@Ted: I've been sort of burned out from civ over the last year, Conquests with all the initial bugs wasn't much fun playin, so been soaked up in other games mostly. The hunger did return though, and then the SG hunger came as well

 

[TedJackson]

Steady stuff Tarkeel

I say settle where they stand. That would open up the Floodplains


Ted

 

[Arathorn]

Can I recommend you read

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17432

as another no-culture (almost) game? Granted, we had an uber-UU to help us out. Some good discussion of city placement is in there. And you can possible foresee some of the difficulties. We did allow ourselves a few GWs and the FP. Not having those will make this a little tougher, but I think you'll be amazed at how easy this variant actually is....

Arathorn

 

[Cuivienen]

Sorry I went missing for a day, but I'm back now and have my CD drive working. Got it.

Arathorn -- thanks for the link. I think everyone participating should read up on that game for tips on how to play this one.

 

[Cuivienen]

I just thought I'd gotten my CD drive to work, I played some turns of the COTM today... And now it's not working again. I'm really sorry about this -- I started a game and now I can't play! It's really frustrating me... Anyway, if TedJackson can take this, do so. I'll try to jump in at some point.

Cuivienen (Skipped)
TedJackson (Up)
Kaiser_Berger (On Deck)
conehead234
Tarkeel

 

[TedJackson]

OK,

Got it but I can't play until tomorrow


Ted

 

[TedJackson]

CVN02-1725BC

Pre-flight checks... OK

0 - 1725BC
Settler founds Grand River on river bend
Settler (Salamanca) heads North to join Warrior
Lux 10%
After a bit of deliberation I decide to...
Buy the Wheel & Warrior Code from Greece for Writing + 70gp
... and we have Horses to the Northwest and Northeast of Salamanca. Settler is already on his way to the Northeastern site

IBT
Barb Horses advance on Salamanca

1 - 1700BC
Settler (& escort) E (toward Silks & Horses)
Worker road - E
Worker (FP) irrigate
Curraghs explore

IBT
Barb Horses destroy improvements NNE Salamanca
Salamanca Warrior - Archer

2 - 1675BC
Worker road
Warriors explore
Curraghs explore
Lux 20% (NF)

IBT
More barb Horses appear NW of Salamanca

3 - 1650BC
Allegheny founded (Silks & Horses)
Curraghs explore
Warriors explore

IBT
Our Warrior gets kicked out of Japanese territory

4 - 1625BC
NF switches to Warrior
Warriors explore
Curraghs explore

IBT
Salamanca Archer - Settler
NF Warrior - Settler

5 - 1600BC
Archer kills barb Horse (E Salamanca)
Workers work
Warriors explore
Curraghs explore
Lux 10%

IBT
Rome & Japan ask us to leave

6 - 1575BC
Workers work
Warriors explore
Curraghs explore

IBT
NTR

7 - 1550BC
Workers work
Warriors explore
Curraghs explore

IBT
Japan kicks us out again

8 - 1525BC
Workers work
Warriors explore
Curraghs explore
Lux 20% (Salamanca)

IBT
Salamanca Settler - Settler

9 - 1500BC
Settler (& escort) head for NW Silk & Horses site
Workers work
Warriors explore
Curraghs explore
Lux 0%
I'll stop here to even off the years.

Notes
Pretty boring set of turns. We're holding our own but won't really get going until we've a few more Workers improving our tiles.

Babylon now has CoL but we can't afford it

This Settler is on his way to the Silks & Horses but will pop the GH in the process.

I think it might be an idea to start some suicide runs with the Curraghs. Here's a few suggestions:

The save is > here <


Ted